# Aceplace57, what the fuck is wrong with you? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2015, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698 "2015-05-24T02:21:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/61 "2015-05-25T17:54:41Z")
NOTHING is private with the Duggars. _Nothing._ Why the hell should this be? Dear god I spent years hearing about every stupid detail of Michelle Duggar’s menstrual cycle and childbearing choices. The stupid bitch decides to go for child number nineteen and poor Josie’s premature birth was all over the news for weeks. For years, many of us have been unable to open a newspaper, go online or even walk past a supermarket checkout line without seeing those dumb bastards smirk at us. For years, they’ve literally told us every single fucking thing. Every idiotic thought they have. Worse, they have spent the last ten years of their lives demanding we hold them up as moral exemplars. They’ve also spent that time hiding the abuse. At the very least the authorities should be entitled to know if anything has happened since then and if efforts have been taken to prevent it from happening again. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/62 "2015-05-25T17:55:51Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I believe strongly in second chances for children. I can’t agree with destroying somebody’s reputation for something they did many years ago in childhood. This isn’t a new scandal for the family. It’s something they all went through and dealt with long ago. It was reported to a state police officer and much later there was a[formal police investigation in 2006.](http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/may/22/judge-orders-josh-duggars-record-destroyed/) It’s a private family matter that is now being exploited because people disagree with the Duggar’s political activism. It is borderline lying to say that it was reported to a state police officer, and you should be ashamed of that dishonesty. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/63 "2015-05-25T18:09:48Z")
If there was a ‘formal police investigation’ than a LOT of mandatory resporters broke the law. Good thing it was actually just discussing it with a family friend (also a mandatory resporter who DIDN’t report, and is now in prison for sex offences!). Now claiming a ‘formal investigation’? Now that’s disengenuous! ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/64 "2015-05-25T18:21:13Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > My position is not difficult to understand No we understand your position you stupid fuck. Repeat it a few more times and we’ll still find it stupid and steeped in ignorance. You are uterly incapable of comprehending the whole reason for this thread. You remain blissfully ignorant in your own reality where facts will never get in the way of your dumb ass possitions ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/65 "2015-05-25T20:12:56Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > If there was a ‘formal police investigation’ than a LOT of mandatory resporters broke the law. Good thing it was actually just discussing it with a family friend (also a mandatory resporter who DIDN’t report, and is now in prison for sex offences!). > > Now claiming a ‘formal investigation’? Now that’s disengenuous! Actually, there was a formal police investigation. But not until 2006\*, when the statute of limitations had run out, so that no charges got filed. The ‘discussing the molestation with a mandatory reporter who ignored his obligations’ part happened back in 2002-03. \*Apparently as a result of the family’s cancelled Oprah appearance. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/66 "2015-05-26T01:41:19Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > I don’t remember him _ever_ saying such a thing. He’s just a gullible idiot who gets all of his news from The Daily Mail. LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/67 "2015-05-26T02:04:56Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > _Duck Dynasty_ is a “lookit them freaks” show coming the other way - “lookit how goshdarn \*American \*these people are ! You’ll never be as authentic an American as they are. These people eat spangled stars and shit rugged, individualist bald eagles ramping Harley bikes on the torch of Lady Liberty while John Wayne plays the \*Battle Hymn of the Republic \*with an M-14 rifle”. > > But it’s still corny as all hell, not to mention a hot spot of high grade, concentrated hickery. They’re walking, talking caricatures of a stereotype that never even existed. And I have no notion how people can take any of it seriously. I’m pretty sure they would not be huge fans of “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”. I think the song you were thinking of was Dixie. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/68 "2015-05-26T02:06:30Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s something they all went through and dealt with long ago. It was reported to a state police officer and much later there was a[formal police investigation in 2006.](http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/may/22/judge-orders-josh-duggars-record-destroyed/) It’s a private family matter that is now being exploited because people disagree with the Duggar’s political activism. They told a family friend who happened to be a state trooper (and is now in prison for his own “youthful indiscretions” with minors.) There was a “formal police investigation” because Oprah’s staff reported the matter to the FBI after a family friend told them about it. It was “dealt with” in the sense that the family sent Josh off to work on a construction site for a few weeks so they could pretend he was getting counseling. It’s not being exploited because of “the Duggars’ political activism.” I doubt more than a handful of people even knew the Duggars were politically active. It’s being exploited because it’s a horrible story and worse cover-up involving a family that put themselves in the public eye. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/69 "2015-05-26T02:31:03Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > Actually, there was a formal police investigation. But not until 2006\*, when the statute of limitations had run out, so that no charges got filed. > > The ‘discussing the molestation with a mandatory reporter who ignored his obligations’ part happened back in 2002-03. > > \*Apparently as a result of the family’s cancelled Oprah appearance. Does anyone know how long the statute of limitations is for sexual assault in Arkansas? It seems like it ran out awfully quickly. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/70 "2015-05-26T02:34:16Z")
People who act hypocritically make themselves fair-game targets. Family values, huh? I’ve never molested anyone, but FRC certainly targets my family. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/71 "2015-05-26T03:05:19Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > Does anyone know how long the statute of limitations is for sexual assault in Arkansas? It seems like it ran out awfully quickly. My local news channel ran an article explaining it. Josh was a minor and it involved fondling. Not actual rape. > **[Statute of limitations likely to save Josh Duggar from facing judge](https://www.katv.com/archive/statute-of-limitations-likely-to-save-josh-duggar-from-facing-judge)** > > Josh Duggar, star on "19 Kids and Counting," likely won't face charges in regard to a 2006 police report where he is accused of molesting five underage girls, including siblings, when he was 14. It all has to do with the statute of limitations. > [@](#): > > Many crimes in Arkansas don’t have a statute of limitations like capital and first degree murder, sexual indecency with a child, first degree sexual assault and child porn. But most crimes have limits to when action can be taken against the suspect. > > “It depends on the facts as they’re presented to you as a prosecutor,” said Hiland. > \ > > Class “A” and “Y” felonies, carry six year statutes of limitations. Class “B”, “C”, and “D” felonies carry only three year statute of limitations. But the exceptions to the rule are made again if the victim is a minor. Instances of rape and sexual assault will have no statute of limitations if the victim was under the age of 18. > > But when it comes to suspects that are minors – that’s where the grey area comes back into play. > > “If it’s sexual assault second, if it’s a minor on a minor, meaning a minor commits against a minor, then that’s the domain of the juvenile court and juvenile court loses jurisdiction over them at the age of 21,” said Hiland. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/72 "2015-05-26T04:07:33Z")
At least Josh didn’t quit the NFL after only one year, right ace? Now, that would be worthy of outrage. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/73 "2015-05-26T05:29:45Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s a private family matter that is now being exploited because people disagree with the Duggar’s political activism. No, it’s a crime and it should be exposed (not exploited) to prevent things like this from happening again. (Although if you agree with their “political activism”, which involves lobbying to deny LGBT individuals their civil rights, then you need to go and masturbate with a chainsaw) > [@Wolf333](#): > > At least Josh didn’t quit the NFL after only one year, right ace? Now, that would be worthy of outrage. What’s this about? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/74 "2015-05-26T08:17:36Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > At least Josh didn’t quit the NFL after only one year, right ace? Now, that would be worthy of outrage. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > What’s this about? [This.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=751931) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/75 "2015-05-26T11:18:10Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I doubt more than a handful of people even knew the Duggars were politically active. It’s being exploited because it’s a horrible story and worse cover-up involving a family that put themselves in the public eye. Exactly. The only thing I knew about the Duggars was that they were yet another in an endless string of “reality stars” that I actively ignore. Which one is that? The one with Smith Brothers look-alikes, or the one with the flaming dad in a mansion who knows best? Oh, the one where they have more kids than your average Russian orphange? Ok, I know what freak show you’re talking about now. Thats the part that kills me. I am a dyed-in-the-wool cynic and I am utterly unsurprised when news like this surfaces from the depths of the shallow gene pool that is reality television. In fact, I won’t rest until every single reality show has at least one national-news-level scandal/meltdown. I have a bingo card I’m preparing and everything. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/76 "2015-05-26T11:21:24Z")
Neither ‘it was just fondling’ nor ‘the girls were asleep’ pass the sniff test for me. They called sending him away to work hard ‘counselling’, now think how much spin is really being applied here, to everything. “It depends on the facts **as they’re presented to you,** …”, stinks to high heaven too, in my opinion. Seems like a lot of ‘looking the other way’ by some ‘good Christians’ in the community. All the way down the line. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/77 "2015-05-26T12:40:03Z")
Exactly. And I wonder how much **ace** would want to be “just fondled” by someone older, bigger, in a position of authority over him, that he had to continue to serve, all the while being told it was his fault and that he’d been the one to tempt (defraud) his sibling, even if he was only four. Then his parents could cover the whole thing up, but when exposed, all the focus was on how it was destroying his abuser’s life with nary a word about what he was going through or how he’d been victimized. Wonder how he’d like that? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/78 "2015-05-26T12:54:08Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Exactly. And I wonder how much **ace** would want to be “just fondled” by someone older, bigger, in a position of authority over him, that he had to continue to serve, all the while being told it was his fault and that he’d been the one to tempt (defraud) his sibling, even if he was only four. Then his parents could cover the whole thing up, but when exposed, all the focus was on how it was destroying his abuser’s life with nary a word about what he was going through or how he’d been victimized. Wonder how he’d like that? He’ll completely fail to understand the point you’re making. Maybe if you explained it in simpler terms? ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/79 "2015-05-26T13:58:16Z")
The insidiousness of Christian “forgiveness” doctrine is that it’s a license to do anything, up to and including rape, murder, and large-scale fraud, for people in the approved political circle, that’s conveniently never applied to those outside of it. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/80 "2015-05-26T15:02:04Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > My position is not difficult to understand. Yes, if “understand” is understood to mean “accurately identify”. No, if “understand” is understood to mean “make sense of”, as it is obviously not possible to make sense of nonsense. > [@](#): > > I’ve made it clear that Duggar’s actions were wrong. Thankfully it didn’t go beyond groping and fondling. You might want to insert [a United Way update](http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-10-02) or something between “yes, that was wrong” and “…but this is why it’s not such a big deal”. > [@](#): > > I believe strongly in second chances for children. I can’t agree with destroying somebody’s reputation for something they did many years ago in childhood. This isn’t some stupid childish stunt like stealing a rival school mascot or something. This is a serious crime that strongly indicates the perpetrator to be profoundly lacking in internal control (conscience), and thus in need of a heaping helping of additional external control (fear of punishment). I don’t know any effective way to instill the latter other than an initial dose of punishment for the initial offense(s). > [@](#): > > This isn’t a new scandal for the family. It’s something they all went through and dealt with long ago. “Covered it up” doesn’t count as “dealt with”. > [@](#): > > It was reported to a state police officer The dishonesty of this claim was addressed by [the link in the OP](http://defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269). Read it. Learn it. > [@](#): > > It’s a private family matter that is now being exploited because people disagree with the Duggar’s political activism. No, it’s a crime that is being addressed now because the coverup finally cracked and society does not allow child-molesting criminals to go unpunished. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > It is borderline lying to say that it was reported to a state police officer, and you should be ashamed of that dishonesty. “Borderline”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698.md?page=5)