# Ack - I screwed up some HTML and all my friends are Mac...
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ack-i-screwed-up-some-html-and-all-my-friends-are-mac/548759
**Category:** Factual Questions
**Created:** [August 1, 2010, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ack-i-screwed-up-some-html-and-all-my-friends-are-mac/548759 "2010-08-01T02:14:23Z")
**Posts on this page:** 10
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### Author:  [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2010, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ack-i-screwed-up-some-html-and-all-my-friends-are-mac/548759/1 "2010-08-01T02:14:23Z")
Hi. I need a bit of a hand with some HTML coding - frames, specifically. I got everything to work correctly on almost every Mac browser, but some Windows people are telling me it’s not working for them.
I’d appreciate a competent soul giving me a bit of a hand. Please message me if you are interested in helping out.
Thanks.
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### Author:  [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2010, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ack-i-screwed-up-some-html-and-all-my-friends-are-mac/548759/2 "2010-08-01T02:57:30Z")
Frames! Crikey.
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### Author:  [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2010, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ack-i-screwed-up-some-html-and-all-my-friends-are-mac/548759/3 "2010-08-01T03:11:26Z")
It’s like going back in time.
I suspect the best answer is to ditch the frames, but you presumably don’t want to do that for some reason. It’s been too long since I tinkered with HTML and frames, sorry can’t help.
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### Author:  [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ack-i-screwed-up-some-html-and-all-my-friends-are-mac/548759/4 "2010-08-01T03:24:37Z")
Well, I couldn’t figure out any other way to make the page look less generic, since the page in the frame is all css and php, scripts for processing credit cards. And given my ineptitude with bare bones html, you can only imagine how CSS and PHP fry my brain.
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### Author:  [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2010, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ack-i-screwed-up-some-html-and-all-my-friends-are-mac/548759/5 "2010-08-01T03:27:37Z")
I am not a Web designer or even that knowledgeable about HTML or CSS in general, but back when I was putting together a basic layout for my blog, I learned enough CSS to do it that way, and I will tell you that after a small learning curve, using CSS was a LOT easier than trying to mangle my way through tables and frames. It’s worth picking up a “CSS for Dummies” book or something. I am not a programmer and have no programming or coding background, so it’s really not something you have to have a lot of technical expertise to learn.
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### Author:  [@Markxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Markxxx)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2010, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ack-i-screwed-up-some-html-and-all-my-friends-are-mac/548759/6 "2010-08-01T03:37:22Z")
You can try the forums at [Dynamic Drive](http://dynamicdrive.com/), they are very helpful and well just visit the site and you’ll get all sorts of ideas
There’s nothing really wrong with frames per say.
In order to help you here though you’ll need to provide us with answers
What browsers are you friends with Windows using? IE if so, what version. Firefox? Chrome? Opera? If so, what versions.
What is the problem exactly?
Are you using CSS or are you doing formatting from HTML? CSS is really easy to learn once you get the idea behind it.
I am a huge fan of CSS but even I’ll admit a few times when tables are going to have to be used to ensure backward compatibility
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### Author:  [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2010, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ack-i-screwed-up-some-html-and-all-my-friends-are-mac/548759/7 "2010-08-01T04:34:16Z")
Stoid, does it have to be private? If you can just post the issue here, it’d be easier to deal with.
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### Author:  [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2010, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ack-i-screwed-up-some-html-and-all-my-friends-are-mac/548759/8 "2010-08-01T05:05:47Z")
I responded in a private message, and offered a suggestion that will probably solve the issue she was having.
It was a formatting error.
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### Author:  [@qazwart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qazwart)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ack-i-screwed-up-some-html-and-all-my-friends-are-mac/548759/9 "2010-08-01T22:58:03Z")
> [@Stoid](#):
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> Hi. I need a bit of a hand with some HTML coding - frames, specifically. I got everything to work correctly on almost every Mac browser, but some Windows people are telling me it’s not working for them.
>
> I’d appreciate a competent soul giving me a bit of a hand. Please message me if you are interested in helping out.
If you’re really doing nothing but almost pure HTML, then any Internet Explorer version greater than 6 should do just fine, and I suspect that IE 6.0 should also work. Are you doing any “styles” in your HTML code?
The big problem may be frames. Most people stopped using frames long ago, and there has been issues on how frames should be supported. Most people don’t even use tables for formatting their content, but instead use CSS. As long as you don’t do anything too strange, CSS 2.0 should work in all browsers including IE 6.0 and over.
You might look into Blogging frameworks like Blogspot and Wordpress for your webpage or if you need something more complex, Joomla or Druple where are CMS management systems.
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### Author:  [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2010, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ack-i-screwed-up-some-html-and-all-my-friends-are-mac/548759/10 "2010-08-02T02:13:03Z")
Guanolad suggested something which led to my trying something else that worked. I had actually taken the coding from a Google page and kept stripping things out until I got what I wanted, and as a result I had very messy code. There’s a command called “tidy up” in my text editor and after I did that everything worked fine.
🙂
Thanks