# ACORN workers caught on tape apparently advising on child prostitution **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 11, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681 "2009-09-11T13:19:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/421 "2009-09-17T18:11:30Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > I guess we will see. Oh, and it’s unbecoming to refer to political opponents as Nazis…but the Left does that so welll… Yes, those damn [leftists and their Hitler comparisons!](http://libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com/2008/11/obama-flys-flag-of-anti-freedom-for.html) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/422 "2009-09-17T18:21:23Z")
Still, nice job on painting the horse, she must have started from the Limbaugh and worked forward… ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/423 "2009-09-17T18:33:49Z")
> [@PhiloVance](#): > > My post is my comment. > **“None are so blind as those that will not see”** I see all sorts of things in this issue. Howzabout you be so kind as to tell us what, in your view, we are missing? ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/424 "2009-09-17T19:02:35Z")
I heard this stroy being discussed on NPR this morning and they mentioned that ACORN had claimed it is a right wing hatchet job but they will continue on to do the good work they’ve been doing for 40 years. I’m surprised I haven’t seen it more in oither media like the Huff Post. Why hasn’t anyone mentionoed the editing and the very significant fact that the tapes have not been released undedited. In fact someone needs to do an entire story on how editing and sound bytes is being used ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/425 "2009-09-17T19:18:58Z")
Looks like the house has decided to cut funding to ACORN as well… [http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/17/final-vote-results-for-roll-call/#more-4290](http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/17/final-vote-results-for-roll-call/#more-4290) ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/426 "2009-09-17T19:33:03Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > Looks like the house has decided to cut funding to ACORN as well… > > [http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/17/final-vote-results-for-roll-call/#more-4290](http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/17/final-vote-results-for-roll-call/#more-4290) I think it’s very telling that there were 75 Democrat “nay” votes… but every single Republican voted “aye” (granted, with 5 non-votes). Yeah, sure looks like a witch hunt to me. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/427 "2009-09-17T19:42:24Z")
The reason you’re seeing all these Alinsky quotes is that there’s a bunch of people on the right who believe that Alinsky’s tactics have been used to great effect by the left, and they’ve decided to employ them on the right to fight fire with fire. They seem to have forgotten the first rule of Fight Club, though. If you’re going to use Alinsky tactics, you don’t talk about how you’re using Alinsky tactics. BTW, I disagree with them. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/428 "2009-09-17T19:45:19Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > I think it’s very telling that there were 75 Democrat “nay” votes… but every single Republican voted “aye” (granted, with 5 non-votes). > > Yeah, sure looks like a witch hunt to me. Don’t you find it even more telling that there were 175 ‘aye’ votes from Democrats? The fact that Democrats voted more than 2-1 to cut funding for an organization they heavily supported previously is quite surprising. That’s some strange kind of witch hunt. It’s not at all surprising that Republicans were unanimous, since they’ve always been opposed to providing funds to Acorn. The surprise is that so many Democrats are abandoning them. Makes you want to re-think your curt dismissal of all the evidence, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/429 "2009-09-17T19:48:34Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Don’t you find it even more telling that there were 175 ‘aye’ votes from Democrats? The fact that Democrats voted more than 2-1 to cut funding for an organization they heavily supported previously is quite surprising. That’s some strange kind of witch hunt. > > It’s not at all surprising that Republicans were unanimous, since they’ve always been opposed to providing funds to Acorn. The surprise is that so many Democrats are abandoning them. Makes you want to re-think your curt dismissal of all the evidence, doesn’t it? Not at all. All it seems to indicate to me is that the Dems were willing to cross party lines. There may be some truth to the allegations about ACORN, there might not- we don’t have enough evidence right now. However, the point still stands- Democrats crossed party lines and voted the way they felt was right, Republicans voted in lockstep. ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/430 "2009-09-17T19:51:05Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Wondering about that. When did the tighty rightys find out about Saul Alinsky? When did they start to _care_ about Saul Alinsky? > > I dimly recall him being quoted regarding a “news story” that Abbie Hoffman’s Yippie Party was central to organizing the Days of Rage fiasco at the Democratic Convention of 1968… > > “Organize? You kidding? Those guys couldn’t organize a Hadassah luncheon!” Could be this article [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/24/AR2007032401152.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/24/AR2007032401152.html) Or, maybe, it was that passage Michelle Obama lifted from Alinsky. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/431 "2009-09-17T21:00:12Z")
> [@PhiloVance](#): > > My post is my comment. > **“None are so blind as those that will not see”** I believe the correct expression is, “My post is my cite.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/432 "2009-09-17T22:17:56Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > However, the point still stands- Democrats crossed party lines and voted the way they felt was right, Republicans voted in lockstep. Or… Republicans and some Democrats voted the way they knew was right, and some Democrats were too spineless to defy their party and vote they way they knew was right. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/433 "2009-09-17T22:19:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Or… Republicans and some Democrats voted the way they knew was right, and some Democrats were too spineless to defy their party and vote they way they knew was right. I like that one much better ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/434 "2009-09-17T23:27:57Z")
The head of ACORN, Bertha Lewis, is on Democracy Now. She said that these people tried to pull this scam off in several offices. They got thrown out the door in several cases. She also says that no paper work was ever filed by any office that they went to including the ones in the tapes. They have 60 some offices open right now. This is just a way to get ACORN. Unfortunately it seems to have worked. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/435 "2009-09-17T23:39:39Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > It’s not at all surprising that Republicans were unanimous, since they’ve always been opposed to providing funds to Acorn. The surprise is that so many Democrats are abandoning them. **Makes you want to re-think your curt dismissal of all the evidence, doesn’t it?** WTF? what does votes on the congress floor have to do with evidence? ---
**Author:** ![wolf11469](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf11469/32/12464_2.png) [@wolf11469](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf11469)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/436 "2009-09-18T00:25:57Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The head of ACORN, Bertha Lewis, is on Democracy Now. She said that these people tried to pull this scam off in several offices. They got thrown out the door in several cases. . Just out of curiosity, has Acorn offered any proof of multiple scam attempts? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/437 "2009-09-18T00:36:12Z")
The Pubbies hate ACORN because they are sneaky progressives. They are using the perfectly blameless process of registering voters to put their agenda forward. They seek out the disenfranchised and apathetic, and remind them that, yes, indeed, this is their country, too. That those recently refreshed citizens are more likely to lean leftish has not, I am sure, escaped their attention. So much the better. But if the disadvantaged portion of our population doesn’t much love Republicans, how is that ACORN’s fault? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/438 "2009-09-18T01:40:09Z")
> [@wolf11469](#): > > Just out of curiosity, has Acorn offered any proof of multiple scam attempts? They don’t tape everybody, but they have testimony from employees. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/439 "2009-09-18T01:51:22Z")
> [@wolf11469](#): > > Just out of curiosity, has Acorn offered any proof of multiple scam attempts? I think it’s common sense. I find it highly doubtful that every ACORN employee approached confessed to killing their husband. Some honesty on this from the operatives would be nice: “I approached 28 ACORN offices, and 23 of them told me to go to hell.” ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/440 "2009-09-18T01:53:37Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > They don’t tape everybody, but they have testimony from employees. It would help their case if anyone of those that turned away Pimp Daddy had told their superiors and someone wrote it down. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681.md?page=23)