# ACORN workers caught on tape apparently advising on child prostitution **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 11, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681 "2009-09-11T13:19:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/521 "2009-09-19T18:09:20Z")
One of the workers said she killed her ex-husband. That, of course was investigated. All her exes are healthy and alive. She went along with the obvious stupid game they were playing and had fun with it. People wonder how they could believe these white kids . Well, they didn’t. They just played with them. This is a trumped of pile of B.S. It reveals nothing about ACORN. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/522 "2009-09-19T18:11:45Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > Did you see the San Bernadino tape with the woman excitedly talking about “what you can do” and saying “Oh, ok” when they first bring up the child prostitutes? > > This whole thing is pretty much indefensible from the ACORN point of view. I realize some of it may be reflexive, but it might be time to consider admitting that they are in the wrong. That’s the same woman who whooshed them with the story about killing her husband, so I think it’s pretty obvious that she was dicking with them. ---
**Author:** ![wolf11469](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf11469/32/12464_2.png) [@wolf11469](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf11469)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/523 "2009-09-19T19:16:45Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > One of the workers said she killed her ex-husband. That, of course was investigated. All her exes are healthy and alive. She went along with the obvious stupid game they were playing and had fun with it. People wonder how they could believe these white kids . Well, they didn’t. They just played with them. This is a trumped of pile of B.S. It reveals nothing about ACORN. Does the fact that she was lying about killing her husband mean she had to be onto them? Is it remotely possible she was just talking shit to make herself sound tough? I’ve had guys tell me a story that was mildly amusing then 5 years later tell me a wildly exaggerated version of the same story … its somewhat human nature to embelish ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/524 "2009-09-19T19:34:16Z")
> [@wolf11469](#): > > Does the fact that she was lying about killing her husband mean she had to be onto them? Is it remotely possible she was just talking shit to make herself sound tough? I’ve had guys tell me a story that was mildly amusing then 5 years later tell me a wildly exaggerated version of the same story … its somewhat human nature to embelish The woman said she knew they were faking and was playing along. The story of killing her ex was part of that playing. That seems more likely to me than she took them seriously and then just threw in that lie to seem tough. Remotely possible? I suppose. Are we going to condemn ACORN over that? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/525 "2009-09-19T19:48:03Z")
> [@wolf11469](#): > > Does the fact that she was lying about killing her husband mean she had to be onto them? Is it remotely possible she was just talking shit to make herself sound tough? I’ve had guys tell me a story that was mildly amusing then 5 years later tell me a wildly exaggerated version of the same story … its somewhat human nature to embelish So she only killed them a little bit, but years later the story she told was that she killed them, like all the way? Makes perfect sense! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/526 "2009-09-19T20:04:01Z")
Question: this is a toss-up question, two points, either team can buzz in with the answer… Which news related shows has this O’Keefe fellow been on? I saw some of him on a Fox Gnaws commentary roundtable, where softball questions were gently lobbed. Has he been on any shows where a less laudatory approach might have been used? I’d like to take a quick gander, for comparison sake if nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![wolf11469](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf11469/32/12464_2.png) [@wolf11469](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf11469)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/527 "2009-09-19T20:13:34Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > The woman said she knew they were faking and was playing along. The story of killing her ex was part of that playing. That seems more likely to me than she took them seriously and then just threw in that lie to seem tough. > > Remotely possible? I suppose. Are we going to condemn ACORN over that? I have neither condoned nor condemned Acorn nor do I think it necessarily means the entire organization is corrupt … I’m sure the do a great deal of good work for the community. At the same time tho It wouldn’t surprise me if this women would say whatever it takes to save her job. ---
**Author:** ![wolf11469](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf11469/32/12464_2.png) [@wolf11469](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf11469)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/528 "2009-09-19T20:19:33Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > So she only killed them a little bit, but years later the story she told was that she killed them, like all the way? Makes perfect sense! > > -Joe Well, this site [http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=15294](http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=15294) has a link to a document they claim is a restraing order filed by one of her husbands. [http://170.164.31.10/openaccess/CIVIL/CivilDetails.asp?courtcode=X&casenumber=BS800189&casetype=FAM&dsn=](http://170.164.31.10/openaccess/CIVIL/CivilDetails.asp?courtcode=X&casenumber=BS800189&casetype=FAM&dsn=) so maybe she pulled a gun on the husband and the story grew?? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/529 "2009-09-19T20:37:21Z")
Have you seen what they looked like/ Who could take them seriously? A white kid with a fur coat and a pimp cane playing dress up. It was a joke to everyone but Fox. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/530 "2009-09-19T20:42:07Z")
My first visceral impression of her was that she was recovering from being a deranged, drug-addled skank to deranged skank. That’s a wholly subjective impression, I don’t pretend it has any more weight than that. I just don’t like her “vibes”. See, ACORN is driven by the liberal ideology of compassion and change. They sincerely believe that poor people are inherently more virtuous. This is nonsense, of course, one of the biggest reasons to fight against poverty is because it corrupts and degrades its victims. But ACORN believes in people, they believe in second chances, they hire people nobody else will touch. That makes them vulnerable to grifters, losers, and system-gamers. Is that naive stupidity, or moral courage? Your call. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/531 "2009-09-19T20:42:18Z")
> [@wolf11469](#): > > I have neither condoned nor condemned Acorn nor do I think it necessarily means the entire organization is corrupt … I’m sure the do a great deal of good work for the community. At the same time tho It wouldn’t surprise me if this women would say whatever it takes to save her job. This thread is about whether ACORN workers, and/or ACORN are guilty of anything. It’s looking pretty questionable. What you seem to be saying is what I’ve said. WE don’t have enough evidence to really know. Would it surprise you if OKeefe clipped the videos and presented them dishonestly in order to get attention and or money? Is there more reason to believe something negative about the ACORN workers than there is him? ---
**Author:** ![wolf11469](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf11469/32/12464_2.png) [@wolf11469](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf11469)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/532 "2009-09-19T21:18:48Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > This thread is about whether ACORN workers, and/or ACORN are guilty of anything. It’s looking pretty questionable. > > What you seem to be saying is what I’ve said. WE don’t have enough evidence to really know. > > Would it surprise you if OKeefe clipped the videos and presented them dishonestly in order to get attention and or money? Is there more reason to believe something negative about the ACORN workers than there is him? It wouldn’t surprise me in the least, nor would it surprise me if he had been “shown the door” on multiple scam attempts. I know O’keffe has a agenda, but it does surprise me that a number of people keep suggesting things as fact in Acorns defense that can’t or haven’t been proved. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/533 "2009-09-19T21:45:51Z")
> [@wolf11469](#): > > It wouldn’t surprise me in the least, nor would it surprise me if he had been “shown the door” on multiple scam attempts. I know O’keffe has a agenda, but it does surprise me that a number of people keep suggesting things as fact in Acorns defense that can’t or haven’t been proved. Why does that surprise you? People also keep suggesting things as fact about ACORN that are detrimental that can’t or haven’t been proved. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/534 "2009-09-19T21:50:42Z")
That’s different. ACORN’s guilty. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/535 "2009-09-19T21:56:22Z")
> [@wolf11469](#): > > It wouldn’t surprise me in the least, nor would it surprise me if he had been “shown the door” on multiple scam attempts. I know O’keffe has a agenda, but it does surprise me that a number of people keep suggesting things as fact in Acorns defense that can’t or haven’t been proved. What has been suggested as fact to defend ACORN? ---
**Author:** ![wolf11469](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf11469/32/12464_2.png) [@wolf11469](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf11469)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/536 "2009-09-19T22:15:52Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Why does that surprise you? People also keep suggesting things as fact about ACORN that are detrimental that can’t or haven’t been proved. True, but there are plenty of people on this board ready to beat them down. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![wolf11469](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf11469/32/12464_2.png) [@wolf11469](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf11469)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/537 "2009-09-19T22:17:26Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > What has been suggested as fact to defend ACORN? Perhaps I shouldn’t say Acorn, but instead the people on the tape. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/538 "2009-09-19T22:20:32Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > I haven’t heard whether he has been asked. Has that request been made? > > If I were in his shoes, I would be reluctant to give away the original tapes to anyone either. How could I be assured I would get them back? Who would I give them to? How could I be assured that the person or entity I gave them to is unbiased? How would they analyze them? > > In this hyperpolitical atmosphere, anything he does is going to be questioned. Just like Bush or Obama, there is nothing he can do that will satisfy a certain percentage of people. Well, _I’m_ asking. Releasing the tapes does not mean handing over the originals. It could be as simple as holding a news conference and playing them for the media. It could be making full copies of the originals. I’m not sure why he should be afraid of being questioned. We’re questioning ACORN, and it is equally valid to question O’Keefe. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/539 "2009-09-19T23:05:35Z")
> [@wolf11469](#): > > Perhaps I shouldn’t say Acorn, but instead the people on the tape. Well either way, what specifically has been presented as factual in their defense? Since ACORN and it’s workers are the ones being attacked with certain claims we’re discussing what is factual and what isn’t. An edited tape is hardly convincing proof. ---
**Author:** ![wolf11469](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf11469/32/12464_2.png) [@wolf11469](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf11469)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/540 "2009-09-19T23:38:20Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > Well either way, what specifically has been presented as factual in their defense? > > Since ACORN and it’s workers are the ones being attacked with certain claims we’re discussing what is factual and what isn’t. An edited tape is hardly convincing proof. The edited tape hasn’t convinced me of anything yet … I want to see the full tapes .. but I’m not going to dismiss it because Opie is to white to be a belivable pimp Well, the one I have asked about several times is Acorns statement that O’keffe has tried to pull this stunt for months and been shown the door in all but a few times. I have seen this used to argue that its just a few bad apples and its not surprising when he scores a few hits. Now, that’s a perfectly valid arguments if Acorns statement is True, However O’keffe has denied it being true. While I wouldn’t be surprised if it was true, should Acorn have to back their statement up at all or should I just go with Quote: Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic ACORN doesn’t have to prove jack shit. Let’s see douchey-pimp’s unedited tapes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681.md?page=28)