# ACORN workers caught on tape apparently advising on child prostitution **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 11, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681 "2009-09-11T13:19:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/581 "2009-09-22T18:17:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > OR the fact that it was his cousin clearly undercuts the story that he wanted to make an official report. How so? > [@](#): > > My rebuke was to **Diogenes** for carefully omitting the fact that it was hsi cousin by referring only to “the detective.” It was irrelevant that it was his cousin. Why should I include irrelevant details? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/582 "2009-09-22T19:04:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Sure. Except that in these stories, we don’t have too many “call the cops later” events. … that we’ve heard of yet. Or, we have not heard about the ACORN worker that went home and said: “you would not believe the practical jokers that were in my office today! We played along and cracked up with them afterward when the cameras were off.” ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/583 "2009-09-22T19:19:05Z")
Yes, because you know in my job, if someone were to call me and suggest that I take a kickback or look the other way over a known engineering defect, I might just ‘play along’ for yucks. This casts a lot of stuff in a whole new light. John DeLorean wasn’t actually trying to sell cocaine to undercover cops - it was all just a big joke! Those White House tapes of Nixon? Of COURSE he knew he was being recorded. You’d have to be an idiot to not realize that. So the obvious conclusion is that he was just joking around. In fact, SNL did a skit with Dan Ayckroyd where they showed him doing just that - saying something incriminating, then covering the mike and laughing with Haldeman and Erlichman. So if you ever get hauled into court for say, trying to bribe a cop, you should just use the “It was just a joke!” defense. I’m sure it will work for you. You guys have even lost [Jon Stewart](http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Jon-Stewart-slams-the-media-for-missing-ACORN-story-Where-the-hell-were-you-59469292.html) from your side, but you’re going to hang in there and claim that this is a non-story. At the very least, your tenacity is impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/584 "2009-09-22T19:22:28Z")
It sucks that this whole fake scandal is falling apart, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/585 "2009-09-22T19:27:42Z")
Darn, just when the proof that Democrats Iz Evul and Obama Iz Teh Antichrist was \*right \*in their hands, too. **Sam** , perhaps you could help us all by summarizing what you see as the significance of this story, along with what you consider to be the relevant facts. If it’s just the usual “The ‘Left’ is a Monolith with a Hive Mind” stuff once again, I’ll be highly disappointed, though. Not surprised, but disappointed anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/586 "2009-09-22T19:27:55Z")
> [@](#): > > It sucks that this whole fake scandal is falling apart, doesn’t it? It is? That’s news to me. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/587 "2009-09-22T19:31:22Z")
No doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/588 "2009-09-22T19:33:36Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It sucks that this whole fake scandal is falling apart, doesn’t it? The employees that were fired, including Vera, would probably disagree with this assessment. It may not be front page news anymore but given the nature of scandals, that’s not surprising. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/589 "2009-09-22T19:34:19Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > It is? That’s news to me. Keep up. Your rant would have more resonance, by the way, if your boy, Chuckles the Pimp wasn’t hiding the unedited tapes. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/590 "2009-09-22T19:36:24Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > The employees that were fired, including Vera, would probably disagree with this assessment. It may not be front page news anymore but given the nature of scandals, that’s not surprising. There is no scandal. I know that hurts, but there it is. All that happened was that a right wing Michael Moore wannabe got some face time on Fox News. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/591 "2009-09-22T19:41:13Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There is no scandal. I know that hurts, but there it is. All that happened was that a right wing Michael Moore wannabe got some face time on Fox News. In that case, ACORN must be a really shitty place to work if they’ll fire you for no reason. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/592 "2009-09-22T19:43:09Z")
Maybe there was a reason, maybe not. That doesn’t make it a scandal. ACORN didn’t do anything wrong. ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/593 "2009-09-22T19:51:07Z")
Are any of you here really stupid enough to believe that multiple employees in multiple offices all figured out they were duped AND played along? And that they played it straight the WHOLE time? Most people would have been at least a little sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/594 "2009-09-22T19:54:13Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Maybe there was a reason, maybe not. That doesn’t make it a scandal. ACORN didn’t do anything wrong. Well, Bertha Lewis says that she was outraged at what her employees did on the tapes, and anyone else should be, too. So is she lying? ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/595 "2009-09-22T19:58:17Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There is no scandal. I know that hurts, but there it is. All that happened was that a right wing Michael Moore wannabe got some face time on Fox News. Wait…you forgot that both the House and Senate voted in large majorities to defund ACORN. And ACORN got kicked off the Census project. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/596 "2009-09-22T19:59:05Z")
So have they made the full, unedited tape available yet? ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/597 "2009-09-22T20:03:42Z")
That Juan Carlos Vera story seems fishy too. The guy offers to help with smuggling underage girls into the country and asks the Ho how much for her time. He waits TWO DAYS and then contacts his COUSIN?!? Sounds like he finally realized something wasn’t right with that visit and tried to cover his ass. If he had any interest in getting law enforcement involved he would have called right after they left. Also, he probably would have attempted to get some contact info from the two. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/598 "2009-09-22T20:17:31Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > So have they made the full, unedited tape available yet? Would you expect ABC/NBC/CBS to do the same? Absent a court order, would they ever? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/599 "2009-09-22T20:22:43Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > Would you expect ABC/NBC/CBS to do the same? Ahhh, go with the old tried and true deflection technique. I’ll take it the answer is no. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681/600 "2009-09-22T20:25:01Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Ahhh, go with the old tried and true deflection technique. > > I’ll take it the answer is no. Yes. The answer is no. I assumed it was a rhetorical question. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/acorn-workers-caught-on-tape-apparently-advising-on-child-prostitution/509681.md?page=31)