# Active shooter at El Paso Walmart; at least 18 shot \[3-AUG-2019\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 3, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124 "2019-08-03T18:18:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/21 "2019-08-03T20:58:30Z")
I don’t know if the manifesto is real or fake, but there are at least some claims that it’s not genuine: > [@](#): > > [It’s looking like the “manifesto” is an 8Chan hoax. Will confirm if it is or isn’t later. > > The number of people killed in the El Paso shooting is now said to be up to 20, including four children. Horrific.]([https://twitter.com/Jake\_Hanrahan/status/1157737748771561473](https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/1157737748771561473)) > [@](#): > > [BREAKING: It’s now being reported that the alleged manifesto of the El Paso gunman, claiming he agreed with Christchurch mosque shooter, was a hoax](https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1157740657546584074) ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/22 "2019-08-03T21:01:00Z")
I sure wish I knew how many are dead and how many are only injured so I can calibrate my Thoughts and Prayers to the appropriate level. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/23 "2019-08-03T21:02:38Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t know if the manifesto is real or fake, but there are at least some claims that it’s not genuine: From the same first source later: > [@](#): > > Scrap that. Manifesto likely legit. It was posted to 8Chan before the first EMS call. The El Paso shooter expresses many far-right views in the manifesto and says his main reason for this shooting was basically that he hates Hispanic immigrants. This is him at the scene. Even so, there is still investigations to be made to confirm it one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/24 "2019-08-03T21:03:12Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t know if the manifesto is real or fake, but there are at least some claims that it’s not genuine: Phew! For a minute I thought he might be some 2nd amendment racist asshole. > [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > I sure wish I knew how many are dead and how many are only injured so I can calibrate my Thoughts and Prayers to the appropriate level. Nah, only prayers. Thinking is so baby-boomer. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/25 "2019-08-03T21:03:26Z")
The [Twitter account](https://twitter.com/outsider609) people are linking to the shooter is pro-Trump-themed. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/26 "2019-08-03T21:10:00Z")
> [@Royal\_Nonesutch](#): > > I just saw it was being called “Gang Related” which doesn’t jibe with common patterns in the past… When I heard “multiple shooters”, that was also my thought. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/27 "2019-08-03T21:13:08Z")
> [@Royal\_Nonesutch](#): > > I just saw it was being called “Gang Related” which doesn’t jibe with common patterns in the past… [They walked back on that claim](https://www.inquisitr.com/5563515/patrick-crusius-identified-as-el-paso-shooting-suspect-allegedly-opened-fire-outside-walmart-with-rifle/). > [@](#): > > Police also initially said that the shooting may have been “gang-related terrorism,” but Gomez then walked back this report as well, saying that there was no clear motive for the El Paso shooting. It’s looking more and more like another right wing terrorist attack. ---
**Author:** ![road\_lobo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@road\_lobo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/road_lobo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/28 "2019-08-03T21:13:16Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > Nah, only prayers. Thinking is so baby-boomer. Not in my experience. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/29 "2019-08-03T21:16:18Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It’s looking more and more like another right wing terrorist attack. I read his manifesto: this was a right wing terrorist attack. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/30 "2019-08-03T21:19:39Z")
**Moderator Warning** > [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > I sure wish I knew how many are dead and how many are only injured so I can calibrate my Thoughts and Prayers to the appropriate level. Callous sarcasm has no place in a breaking news thread. Do not do this again. ETA: **Moderator Note** After further consideration, I am reducing this from a warning to just a note. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/31 "2019-08-03T21:20:26Z")
I’m going to wait until all rumors are confirmed before commenting any further. It’s a tragedy any way you look at it. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/32 "2019-08-03T21:21:26Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I found his manifesto; if anyone cares to read it, this is to a jpg image of all 4 pages. The Hispanic invasion of Texas mentioned in the second sentence. Well. I’ve watched a bit of the local ABC affiliate streaming online. Absolutely exemplary reporting - responsible, informative, proper public service broadcasting. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/33 "2019-08-03T21:24:23Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I found his manifesto; if anyone cares to read it, this is to a jpg image of all 4 pages. I had to zoom in to see the text properly. > > [http://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1564857127316.jpg](http://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1564857127316.jpg) At least he will live knowing that his family despises him. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/34 "2019-08-03T21:25:13Z")
At least 22 wounded and still alive. > [@](#): > > 4:10 p.m. > > Hospitals say they are treating 22 victims of the mass shooting at an El Paso shopping complex, not including a patient who died after arriving at one of the hospitals. > > The Del Sol Medical Center is treating 11 patients, the University Medical Center of El Paso is treating nine, the El Paso Children’s Hospital is treating two. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/35 "2019-08-03T21:26:48Z")
Another racist white male with guns and a murderous grudge. Unless it’s more than one. We breed phalanxes of them in the us of a. just fuck. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/36 "2019-08-03T21:27:27Z")
I’m glad he was taken alive. Now he can tell us why he did it. So is there one suspect or more than one? ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/37 "2019-08-03T21:31:26Z")
He is probably a right wing loon, but he is definitely a male. Gun violence, mass shootings, . . . these are man-things. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/38 "2019-08-03T21:31:56Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I’m glad he was taken alive. Now he can tell us why he did it. So is there one suspect or more than one? He told us why he did it before he did it, in his manifesto. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/39 "2019-08-03T21:35:01Z")
The AP is now listing casualties as 1 dead, 22 injured and the shooter captured. If that’s the final tally, it would be amazing. I have my fingers crossed, my lucky 7 leaf clover in hand and I’m blowing out candles on cakes like a motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/40 "2019-08-03T21:39:13Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > He told us why he did it before he did it, in his manifesto. If it’s genuine, sure. I’m more inclined to believe it than disbelieve it but we’ll probably know more shortly. I did search for him on Facebook and the only match for his name says he’s not the one we’re looking for so don’t bother looking and I hope people don’t bother the poor fellow who happens to share his name. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124.md?page=3)