# Active shooter at El Paso Walmart; at least 18 shot \[3-AUG-2019\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 3, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124 "2019-08-03T18:18:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/41 "2019-08-03T21:41:31Z")
Focus on the fact that this is likely one of those bullied, 4chan sociopathic dorks using a political faction as venue to attempt to justify his actions. I don’t see the relevance of whether it is a White Male or not, despite the fact a lot of mass shooters are White Men. If these sex based and race based comments were pointed at a different group based on the same stereotyping premise, they wouldn’t be allowed or they would shunned and critiqued. Please don’t be hypocritical, at least attempt to not be. We all are to some degree, but it is not a good look. I’m only speaking to a couple commenters, obviously not everyone in general. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/42 "2019-08-03T21:46:15Z")
And this is why hate speech, and guns, need to be regulated. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/43 "2019-08-03T21:58:47Z")
News reports are so conflicted and confusing. NBC says 19 dead 40 injured. > **[El Paso shooting: At least 20 people dead, 26 injured, suspect in custody,...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/active-shooter-near-el-paso-mall-police-responding-n1039001)** > > Gov. Greg Abbott called it "one of the most deadly days in the history of Texas." CNN reporting is more restrained with 23 injured and several dead. People are donating blood for the injured. > **[Live updates: Deadly shooting in El Paso, Texas](https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-paso-tx-shooting-live-updates/index.html)** > > A shooting at an El Paso shopping center that left 20 people dead is being treated as domestic terrorism, authorities said. Follow here for the latest. Such terrible news. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/44 "2019-08-03T22:08:11Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > And this is why hate speech, and guns, need to be regulated. Sorry, Mods, my bad. I didn’t notice which thread this was in. I’d take it back if I could ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/45 "2019-08-03T22:11:32Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > I’d guess that in a Texas Wal-Mart, there would be a vast number of people with guns on hand. > [@PastTense](#): > > It’s possible one or more of the suspects in custody was simply someone with a gun trying to stop the carnage. The natural response of the police would be to arrest him now and sort it out later. One of the problems of being a “good guy with a gun trying to stop the bad guys” is that you have to take down the bad guy really, really quickly. You have to drop the bad guy **right away.** You can’t get into a protracted gun battle with him whereby the two of you are hiding behind store shelves, taking potshots at each other, etc. Otherwise the cops show up and you’re just as likely to be gunned down by the police as the bad guy. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/46 "2019-08-03T22:18:51Z")
As of 8 minutes ago: > [@](#): > > 5:10 p.m. > > A law enforcement official says at least 15 people were killed in the attack at an El Paso shopping center > [@](#): > > The official was not authorized to discuss an ongoing investigation publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. The official also stresses that the death count is preliminary and that the investigation is still ongoing. A bit earlier: > [@](#): > > 5 p.m. > > Authorities say the Walmart in El Paso where a gunman opened fire was packed with back-to-school shoppers. > > Sgt. Robert Gomez said at a news conference that anywhere from 1,000 to 3,000 shoppers and about 100 employees were at the Walmart near the Cielo Vista Mall when Saturday’s attack happened. ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/47 "2019-08-03T22:24:19Z")
> **[FBI memo: Pro-Trump conspiracy theories like QAnon, Pizzagate pose domestic...](https://www.salon.com/2019/08/03/fbi-memo-pro-trump-conspiracy-theories-like-qanon-pizzagate-pose-domestic-terror-threat/)** > > FBI intelligence bulletin cites "conspiracy theory-driven domestic extremists" as likely source of future violence ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/48 "2019-08-03T22:27:10Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > One of the problems of being a “good guy with a gun trying to stop the bad guys” is that you have to take down the bad guy really, really quickly. You have to drop the bad guy **right away.** You can’t get into a protracted gun battle with him whereby the two of you are hiding behind store shelves, taking potshots at each other, etc. Otherwise the cops show up and you’re just as likely to be gunned down by the police as the bad guy. You have to also make sure you have the right person(s). At the Tucson shooting, a man with a legal concealed weapon almost shot the wrong person; it turned out not to be the shooter, but ANOTHER “good guy” (a hero in every sense of the word) who wrestled the shooter to the ground and took his gun. That the hospitals are calling for blood donors is the closest thing we have right now to good news. ---
**Author:** ![Buttercup\_Smith](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buttercup_smith/32/473_2.png) [@Buttercup\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buttercup_Smith)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/49 "2019-08-03T22:40:29Z")
[MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/official-says-at-least-15-dead-in-el-paso-attack/ar-AAFhZnV) At least 15 dead. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/50 "2019-08-03T22:47:41Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Focus on the fact that this is likely one of those bullied, 4chan sociopathic dorks using a political faction as venue to attempt to justify his actions. I don’t see the relevance of whether it is a White Male or not, despite the fact a lot of mass shooters are White Men. If these sex based and race based comments were pointed at a different group based on the same stereotyping premise, they wouldn’t be allowed or they would shunned and critiqued. Please don’t be hypocritical, at least attempt to not be. We all are to some degree, but it is not a good look. > I’m only speaking to a couple commenters, obviously not everyone in general. As a white guy, if I want to call out white guys who shoot places up by mentioning their gender and race, I’m sure as fuck going to. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/51 "2019-08-03T23:00:14Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Focus on the fact that this is likely one of those bullied, 4chan sociopathic dorks using a political faction as venue to attempt to justify his actions. I don’t see the relevance of whether it is a White Male or not, despite the fact a lot of mass shooters are White Men. If these sex based and race based comments were pointed at a different group based on the same stereotyping premise, they wouldn’t be allowed or they would shunned and critiqued. Please don’t be hypocritical, at least attempt to not be. We all are to some degree, but it is not a good look. > I’m only speaking to a couple commenters, obviously not everyone in general. Tell you what: I’ll focus on what he did, what he wrote & said and who he is; you go ahead and focus on fantasies or wishes. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/52 "2019-08-03T23:00:28Z")
That is fine, you are free to think and say what you want, but as long as you do it for every race and group. No double standards. Otherwise it’s hypocrisy and is not a good look and isn’t a fair judgement. If you’re fine with that too, it’s also up to you. Just saying ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/53 "2019-08-03T23:03:50Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Focus on the fact that this is likely one of those bullied, 4chan sociopathic dorks using a political faction as venue to attempt to justify his actions. I don’t see the relevance of whether it is a White Male or not, despite the fact a lot of mass shooters are White Men. If these sex based and race based comments were pointed at a different group based on the same stereotyping premise, they wouldn’t be allowed or they would shunned and critiqued. Please don’t be hypocritical, at least attempt to not be. We all are to some degree, but it is not a good look. > I’m only speaking to a couple commenters, obviously not everyone in general. When our president has begun proposing that white peoples’ rights be legally curtailed because of crimes by said dorks, I will concede that the situations are equivalent. That said, I don’t want _any_ peoples’ rights to be based on race, religion, ethnicity, etc. I’d just be happy if the administration acknowledged what the FBI concluded (that right-wing terrorism is a threat) as noted in the article linked in post #47 of this thread). ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/54 "2019-08-03T23:04:53Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Tell you what: I’ll focus on what he did, what he wrote & said and who he is; you go ahead and focus on fantasies or wishes. This makes no sense. That is what you should be focused on. I’m illustrating that many have a cavalier attitude when saying things about White Males, and have no reservations but willfully critique in many instances if it’s another race or gender. If you (general you) what to have an attitude of “go figure, white male” then you have to apply it to others equally or it makes you a hypocrite. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/55 "2019-08-03T23:05:34Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > That is fine, you are free to think and say what you want, but as long as you do it for every race and group. No double standards. Otherwise it’s hypocrisy and is not a good look and isn’t a fair judgement. If you’re fine with that too, it’s also up to you. Just saying Dude, it’s not like anyone is saying anything about locking up all white men with guns. Just relax, mmkay? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/56 "2019-08-03T23:08:03Z")
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**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/57 "2019-08-03T23:09:45Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > When our president has begun proposing that white peoples’ rights be legally curtailed because of crimes by said dorks, I will concede that the situations are equivalent. > > That said, I don’t want _any_ peoples’ rights to be based on race, religion, ethnicity, etc. I’d just be happy if the administration acknowledged what the FBI concluded (that right-wing terrorism is a threat) as noted in the article linked in post #47 of this thread). I agree with this absolutely. I would be happy with that acknowledgement too. I agree they are more dangerous. I said this in so many words elsewhere. I am not one to absolutely defend absolutely everything about this current administration though I did vote for it. Things could be better. My post above wasn’t directly about this administration although I can see how it would be viewed as interrelated. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/58 "2019-08-03T23:10:54Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Dude, it’s not like anyone is saying anything about locking up all white men with guns. Just relax, mmkay? I know. Just talking. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/59 "2019-08-03T23:21:26Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > One of the problems of being a “good guy with a gun trying to stop the bad guys” is that you have to take down the bad guy really, really quickly. The real problem is that every person thinks HE’S the “good guy,” so all the other postulations are pointless. I’m sure this guy in El Paso is convinced that he’s the good guy. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124/60 "2019-08-03T23:21:32Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Focus on the fact that this is likely one of those bullied, 4chan sociopathic dorks using a political faction as venue to attempt to justify his actions. I don’t see the relevance of whether it is a White Male or not, despite the fact a lot of mass shooters are White Men. If these sex based and race based comments were pointed at a different group based on the same stereotyping premise, they wouldn’t be allowed or they would shunned and critiqued. Please don’t be hypocritical, at least attempt to not be. We all are to some degree, but it is not a good look. > I’m only speaking to a couple commenters, obviously not everyone in general. Because white supremacist terrorism is the main source of terrorism in this country. It isn’t hypocrisy to point out reality. The “lone crazy” excuse only works the first hundred times. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart-at-least-18-shot-3-aug-2019/838124.md?page=4)