# Active shooter at MSU February 13, 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 14, 2023, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750 "2023-02-14T02:33:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/21 "2023-02-14T16:23:20Z")
NBC News interviewed the gunman’s father this morning: > **[Michigan State University gunman turned 'evil and mean' after his mother's...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-state-university-gunman-turned-evil-mean-mothers-sudden-death-rcna70579)** > > “He was grieving his mom. He wouldn’t let it go. He got bitter, bitter and bitter,” the suspect's father, Michael McRae, said in an interview. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/22 "2023-02-14T16:36:28Z")
I’d like to find out more about this part from the article: _In 2019, Anthony McRae pleaded guilty and was convicted in Ingham County of possessing a loaded firearm and sentenced to prison. He was released in May 2021._ Why was it illegal for him to have a loaded firearm in 2019? There must be more to that. And when he was released in 2021, how was he able to access a gun (either the one he had before, or getting a new one) if he served time for a gun-related crime; are people convicted of gun crimes able to legally posses them after they are released? Anyway, it sounds like this guy was in prison when his mom died, so all the more difficult if he had a close relationship with her. Not to excuse what he did, but he clearly needed some help coping with her death. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/23 "2023-02-14T19:16:57Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I think the system worked pretty well last night. The system for responding to active shootings worked well. The system for preventing active shootings from happening in the first place still does not seem to be much of a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/24 "2023-02-14T19:55:17Z")
One student interviewed survived Sandy Hook as a sixth-grader. Another survived the Oxford shooting last year. I have no words. No one should have to go through this, not as a child, not ever. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/25 "2023-02-14T20:27:36Z")
Snowthx: they updated the article. It now reads: > Anthony McRae pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor and was sentenced to probation. He was discharged in May 2021. Thus he was not in prison when his Mom died. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/26 "2023-02-14T21:45:32Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Classes and activities at MSU and all local schools were cancelled today out of an abundance of caution From what I read, the reason for the closures is to have crisis counseling available to all in the community who need it and to give people time to process what happened. MSU will be closed tomorrow as well. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/27 "2023-02-14T22:51:19Z")
In fact, MSU will be closed until Monday. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/28 "2023-02-15T02:50:51Z")
Not to mention more than once. His father has got to be beyond devastated at all of this. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/29 "2023-02-15T15:02:27Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > At least no one else will be hurt or killed … this time. ☹ And the taxpayers will be saved the cost of hundred of thousands to prosecute him, and then the cost of housing him in prison for decades. We should encourage all such criminals to shoot themself before capture. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/30 "2023-02-15T15:44:39Z")
The fact that there were any casualties is abhorrent. Understand that MSU is a HUGE campus. Something like 16,000 acres with 50,000 students. So yes, the system worked pretty well. The response was immediate and students all over campus protected themselves. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/31 "2023-02-15T16:04:12Z")
> [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](#): > > We should encourage all such criminals to shoot themself before capture. Whilst I understand your point, I repeat that it would be far better to not have such people getting hold of guns in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/32 "2023-02-15T16:06:31Z")
Or to get the mental healthcare they need. This guy’s family is suffering today too. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/33 "2023-02-15T16:32:26Z")
> [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](#): > > We should encourage all such criminals to shoot themself before capture. **[The shooter reportedly was not coping with life very well in the aftermath of his mother’s death a couple of years ago.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-state-university-gunman-turned-evil-mean-mothers-sudden-death-rcna70579)** Toxic masculinity, the stigma of mental illness, and the cost of mental health treatment all may have played a role in his refusal to seek the kind of help that might have dialed back his anger at the world: > Michael McRae, who was married to Linda for 45 years, said he tried to encourage his son to apply for jobs, seek counseling and attend church with him. > > “I said, ‘Talk to Daddy. Let me know if something is on your mind. If you need help, I’ll get you help,’” the father said. “He said, 'I’m OK, Dad, I don’t need help.” ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/34 "2023-02-16T21:04:13Z")
Fuck! I just learned this hit my family. My cousin’s wife’s cousin was killed. She was at my cousin’s wedding last year. My husband has a large family and we’re not far from MSU (my mother’s alma mater) so I can’t say I’m shocked. My cousin’s wife is a lovely person and she’s already lost her Dad. This sucks. Also my husband had to do some crisis counseling after the Oxford shooting. So this is the second mass shooting to impact our family. I don’t normally worry about stuff like this, but it seems like it’s getting out of control. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/35 "2023-02-16T21:23:07Z")
Hugs to you and hours, Spice Weasel. Did you know this young lady? ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/36 "2023-02-16T21:27:51Z")
Or do it BEFORE they go on a rampage. Or better yet, don’t do it at all. I actually prefer that people like this be taken alive, so we can at least find out why. And about ANOTHER shooting, I can’t blame this guy at all. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/3la4srh39eU/maxresdefault.jpg "Man rushes Buffalo mass shooter in court during sentencing") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3la4srh39eU) It reminded me of this, which was very closely re-enacted in the recent Netflix miniseries, althoug the actress parted her hair on the opposite side. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/utjjH7vDpi8/hqdefault.jpg "Video rewind: Victim's kin erupts at Dahmer trial") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utjjH7vDpi8) ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750/37 "2023-02-16T21:29:38Z")
Sorry, not “she.” It was Brian Fraser. No, I didn’t know him. His cousin is my cousin. I’m a step removed from the worst of the grief, but I genuinely feel for my cousin’s loss, she is a lovely person through and through. Our next meeting will be difficult. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-msu-february-13-2023/979750.md?page=1)