# Active Shooter at UVA {2022-11-14} **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [November 14, 2022, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891 "2022-11-14T11:23:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/1 "2022-11-14T11:23:15Z")
So my wife and I are in a motel in Charlottesville. We have three quick appointments early and then are supposed to remove the last few items from our home south of town before turning the house over to its new owners at noon. Then a 6 hour drive to our new home in North Carolina with our dog. Except we are not sure we can leave our room safely because a mile up the road an active shooter has killed three and injured two. The gunman is still at large. Another Monday morning in America. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/2 "2022-11-14T11:32:54Z")
> **[UPDATED: Three killed in shooting at UVA](https://www.cbs19news.com/story/47688806/shelter-in-place-issued-after-shots-fired-on-grounds)** > > The University of Virginia's Department of Emergency Management says people should shelter in place. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/3 "2022-11-14T12:46:38Z")
I am freaked out by this. A family member attends UVA. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/4 "2022-11-14T12:58:47Z")
I can understand your concern, but it’s looking likely this was a single incident and the suspect is simply at large, not an ongoing masa shooting or the like. Still dangerous, of course (and I could be wrong). ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/5 "2022-11-14T13:16:17Z")
We are going about our business. Shooting is now so common I guess all we can do is shrug and hope not to be a part of it. Like everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/6 "2022-11-15T02:38:50Z")
It looks like it was targeted at the football team in particular. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/7 "2022-11-15T03:33:19Z")
They got him a bit before noon today. > **[Student suspect in custody after 3 football players shot dead and 2 people...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/13/us/university-of-virginia-shooting)** > > Police have in custody a University of Virginia student and ex-UVA football player suspected of fatally shooting three current players and wounding two other people late Sunday at the school's main campus in Charlottesville as a bus returned from a... ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/8 "2022-11-15T12:37:09Z")
I visited the eye doctor in the morning, located about a quarter mile from the shooting. They texted me that because of the lockdown I would have to knock and wait. My wife went to the bank and there was no line on a Monday morning. At the time no one knew the details — only that the shooter was still on the loose. Traffic was minimal. Police were everywhere. I will miss a lot about Charlottesville. I have lived there for almost 40 years. When I was a student I walked around, sometimes inebriated, at all hours. There seemed to be no crime. Never worried about crime. Did not lock the doors. That time is no more. In addition to this Sunday shooting, we had a single shooting incident on Saturday night and a report of random shots Friday. Over the past few weeks we have had shootings and reports of gunfire frequently. There have been fatalities. I feel very sad that the town, so scarred by the racist march and killing a few years ago, has become unsafe at night. It is no longer the innocent college town it used to be. Maybe our new smaller community here in Western North Carolina will be peaceful. I hope so. Part of me feels sad and a bit guilty about abandoning Charlottesville instead of staying and trying to be a voice supporting a safe inclusive community. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/9 "2022-11-15T15:12:48Z")
So any discussion of the motive of the shooting? What I am reading is a black kid from the projects who turned his life around and went to college: > Petersburg High graduate navigated a fractured path to graduation > By VANESSA REMMERS Richmond Times-Dispatch Jun 8, 2018 [https://12ft.io/proxy?&q=https%3A%2F%2Frichmond.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fcentral-virginia%2Fpetersburg-high-graduate-navigated-a-fractured-path-to-graduation%2Farticle\_17a60432-0b1b-5a54-acfd-b4158d434819.html](https://12ft.io/proxy?&q=https%3A%2F%2Frichmond.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fcentral-virginia%2Fpetersburg-high-graduate-navigated-a-fractured-path-to-graduation%2Farticle_17a60432-0b1b-5a54-acfd-b4158d434819.html) > **[‘I still can’t believe it’: Father of UVA shooting suspect speaks](https://www.12onyourside.com/2022/11/15/i-still-cant-believe-it-father-uva-shooting-suspect-speaks/)** > > Christopher Danell Jones Sr. in Petersburg says his son was a good kid and still can't believe he is capable of committing the crimes he has been charged with. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/10 "2022-11-15T15:30:58Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > So any discussion of the motive of the shooting? That article quotes both of the alleged shooter’s parents saying that he was being picked on or harassed by other students; other news reports indicate that he was the subject of an investigation of hazing charges, but the investigation was dropped when witnesses didn’t cooperate. So, that seems to suggest that he was unhappy with how other students were treating him. He’d been on the UVA football team as a freshman, four years ago, but apparently was no longer with the team; the fact that all three of the deceased were members of the football team might suggest that that was who he was singling out for what he did. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/11 "2022-11-15T15:32:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Christopher Danell Jones Sr. in Petersburg says his son was a good kid and still can’t believe he is capable of committing the crimes he has been charged with. Isn’t that what they all say? ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/12 "2022-11-15T15:37:23Z")
So what if it is? I think the 2018 news story @PastTense linked to helps to lend some support at least to the notion that parents here might have expected great (or at least better) things for their son. Anyway, I’m not ready as to speculate as to motive, beyond simply that I doubt very much that the victims deserved to be gunned down. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/13 "2022-11-15T15:50:51Z")
What do you expect? “Yeah, I always knew he was a bit of a dick. I figured he would shoot up a busload of football players.” I mean, put yourself in his shoes. He actually did sound like a decent kid turning his life around. I’m his parent. Would I expect one of my kids to be capable of a murderous rampage, much less actually commit it? I’d be in shock, too. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/14 "2022-11-15T21:07:43Z")
The missing scene from _Red Dragon:_ “Agent Graham, when did you start to suspect Dr. Hannibal Lecter of these hideous crimes?” "I just happened to notice, under his picture in his high school yearbook, he was voted “ **Most Likely to Become a Cannabilistic Serial Killer.** ” ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/15 "2022-11-16T17:59:53Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > So, that seems to suggest that he was unhappy with how other students were treating him. He’d been on the UVA football team as a freshman, four years ago, but apparently was no longer with the team; the fact that all three of the deceased were members of the football team might suggest that that was who he was singling out for what he did. An update on this, from an ESPN article today, about the initial hearing for the accused shooter. In addition to the three fatalities, all of whom were on the UVA football team, one of the two survivors is also a team member (running back Mike Hollins). A witness, who was on the bus, has told investigators that Jones appeared to be targeting specific people on the bus, rather than shooting randomly. > **[Virginia suspect aimed at people, witness says](https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35039300/uva-suspect-christopher-darnell-jones-jr-remains-custody)** > > Christopher Darnell Jones Jr., the suspected gunman in a shooting that left three Virginia football players dead and another wounded, was aiming at people and not shooting a handgun randomly on a charter bus, according to a witness. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/16 "2022-11-16T18:09:11Z")
> Jones, … said little during the 20-minute hearing, other than that he wanted to hire his own attorney I think it likely that neither him nor his parents would have the money to pay for a good attorney–so perhaps an attorney who wants to get his name in the media? ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/17 "2022-11-16T19:04:23Z")
Oof, this one hits way close to home. The victims were all enrolled in the same drama class, and they were returning from a class field trip to see a play. The shooter was not in the class, but apparently the professor invited him along because he was taking another class with her. Like … I’ve done that. Several times, because buying theater tickets for students is always a bit of a crapshoot, and you often end up with extras when someone flakes at the last minute, and anyway you want to spread the performing-arts love as far and as wide as possible. Ugh. Can’t imagine what she must be going through right now. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/18 "2022-11-16T20:07:56Z")
Will this result in the families of all the victims getting multi-million dollar settlements from the University? But has anyone heard what was the spark that set off all this violence? ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/19 "2022-11-16T20:53:56Z")
Interesting article about the trip [MSN repost so not paywalled]: > **[How a U-Va. class trip ended in gunfire and death: ‘Get off the bus!’](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-a-u-va-class-trip-ended-in-gunfire-and-death-get-off-the-bus/ar-AA1491sZ)** > > A witness reveals new details about the shooting Sunday that left three University of Virginia football players dead. I thought there would be some major provocation, but it doesn’t sound like that according to this article [he was sitting alone at the back]. It sounded like he didn’t even know the victims. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891/20 "2022-11-17T00:51:15Z")
> [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > The victims were all enrolled in the same drama class, and they were returning from a class field trip to see a play. Morbid curiosity. Do you know the play/theater? Shenandoah Shakespeare in Staunton, perhaps? ETA: It’s actually I’m the WaPo article above. Mosaic Theater Company play about Emmett Till. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-at-uva-2022-11-14/974891.md?page=2)