# Active Shooter incident in Lewiston, Maine 10/25/2023 (found dead, presumed suicide) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 26, 2023, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109 "2023-10-26T01:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/41 "2023-10-26T13:39:46Z")
They must have every law enforcement person, feds and local, looking for the suspect in the three states there. I guess it’s understandable they haven’t found him yet though the suspect photos are right there. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/42 "2023-10-26T13:46:25Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > The guy is a trained arms instructor in the army reserves, so, goodie, the fuzz have an up hill battle in front of them. I have not see anymore about that which isn’t unusual. When it comes to someone’s military background reporters usually stop when they get enough to make it sound scary. I could give examples of how someone described as that is a tactical genius and also it could be someone with minimal tactical experience. It doesn’t take much training to attack unarmed civilians with a long arm. Now he’s up against tactical teams from the state and federal units. The problem is finding him in a rural area. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/43 "2023-10-26T13:50:03Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The problem is finding him in a rural area. We visited Maine and stayed in a cabin for a week when I was a kid. There is virtually nothing north of Bangor until you reach Caribou on the Canadian border. It’s thousands of square miles of forested wilderness for the most part. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/44 "2023-10-26T13:56:21Z")
I’ve searched for people on just a few acres. It’s not easy. I don’t know Card’s background. He may be a hunter with a lot of backwoods experience. Eric Rudolph was able to evade and survive for years. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/45 "2023-10-26T13:59:10Z")
Police search helicopters should be equipped with FLIR or some other type of thermal camera. That does help a lot. You still have to be methodical and it’s a slow process. If you are blindly searching without at least an idea where to look it’s damn near impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/46 "2023-10-26T14:06:32Z")
This is all true, but he’s not headed north. Bangor itself is an hour drive from Lewiston and Caribou is another three hours north of there. That said, the woods in Southern Maine isn’t exactly a treat either. It is a very rural/wooded state. You could take a five minute drive from the largest city in the state and end up being lost in the woods for a week. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/47 "2023-10-26T14:10:29Z")
We don’t know where he’s headed. He headed south, but that doesn’t mean he continued heading south. If he went to a remote area and killed himself, it could take a long time to find him. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/48 "2023-10-26T14:10:58Z")
True. eta: just the same, I’m urging my sister to work from home today. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/49 "2023-10-26T14:16:24Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > If he went to a remote area and killed himself, it could take a long time to find him. If he went to a remote area of NW Maine and killed himself, he may _never_ be found. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/50 "2023-10-26T14:22:02Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > > [@Jay\_Z](#): > > > > If he went to a remote area and killed himself, it could take a long time to find him. > > If he went to a remote area of NW Maine and killed himself, he may _never_ be found. I was thinking the same. I’ve worked with some good tracking dogs and they are very useful but you need a good start point. We don’t know if they have that yet. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/51 "2023-10-26T14:27:28Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Police search helicopters should be equipped with FLIR or some other type of thermal camera. That does help a lot. You still have to be methodical and it’s a slow process. If you are blindly searching without at least an idea where to look it’s damn near impossible. There are also drones with heat sensing now, which should be quicker and easier to deploy than helicopters. Our city has such technology (on at least one drone, MAYBE two) and we’re pretty small, just 12k residents. In the short time we’ve had a drone team we’ve already used them a couple times to find lost dementia patients. The Cuyahoga Valley National Park is partly within our fire jurisdiction, so being able to survey the large park area has been key for our drone program. I would hope that the sweeping forest areas of Maine are similarly covered by departments with drones but who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/52 "2023-10-26T14:31:17Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > If he went to a remote area of NW Maine and killed himself, he may _never_ be found. The very least he could do is call in his coordinates before he pulls the trigger because, unless we found his body, we couldn’t be sure he was dead. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/53 "2023-10-26T14:47:02Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > The very least he could do is call in his coordinates before he pulls the trigger because, unless we found his body, we couldn’t be sure he was dead. Time will tell, but I think given that there have been no further attacks in the last few hours that suicide is possible? It’s a frequent outcome of these sorts of rampage attacks, as opposed to the one at a time serial killers like Dahmer, Gacy, Bundy. Agreed that if he can’t be found closure will be a nightmare for that locale. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/54 "2023-10-26T15:23:17Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > because, unless we found his body, we couldn’t be sure he was dead. If he cruelly wanted to remain a source of fear and uncertainty, this is what he would want – to disappear into the woods with the looming threat of reappearing and resuming the attack. Closure is what the victims want. It’s not usually a big priority to the perpetrator. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/55 "2023-10-26T15:43:02Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > The very least he could do is call in his coordinates before he pulls the trigger because, unless we found his body, we couldn’t be sure he was dead. The second he turns his phone back on they have the coordinates. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/56 "2023-10-26T15:45:26Z")
There’s another helicopter in the area doing search patterns right now. Can’t tell who owns it but it has a monstrous camera mounted to it based on the picture. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/57 "2023-10-26T15:46:38Z")
Probably the FLIR. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/58 "2023-10-26T16:04:23Z")
Eric Rudolph claimed that he survived on his own for five years, but there are plenty of people in law enforcement who suspect he had friends and/or ideological allies helping him. I don’t think that will be a factor for someone with a serious mental illness. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/59 "2023-10-26T16:07:18Z")
Rudolph was a bomber. I don’t know what the typical mental profile for a bomber is, but it seems to be different than an in person rampage killer. Unabomber, McVeigh didn’t kill themselves either. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/60 "2023-10-26T16:13:09Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The second he turns his phone back on they have the coordinates. True, but he should still call and make his intentions clear. It’s the absolutely least he can do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109.md?page=4)