# Active Shooter incident in Lewiston, Maine 10/25/2023 (found dead, presumed suicide) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 26, 2023, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109 "2023-10-26T01:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/61 "2023-10-26T16:13:15Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I’ve worked with some good tracking dogs and they are very useful but you need a good start point. We don’t know if they have that yet. The obvious start point is the place he abandoned his car. Or is there evidence he had access to or stole another one? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/62 "2023-10-26T16:20:32Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > True, but he should still call and make his intentions clear. It’s the absolutely least he can do. Maybe one of the voices in his head will make the call. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/63 "2023-10-26T16:22:38Z")
If they find him it will be interesting to see what kinds of drugs are in his system. Maybe the magic mushrooms on the street are laced with something, ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/64 "2023-10-26T16:54:45Z")
Right. He must have been on drugs. He wasn’t just a violent gun nut with a mental problem. Good call. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/65 "2023-10-26T17:25:13Z")
Nothing I said was related to guns which by the way the the mod has expressly asked us NOT to talk about. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/66 "2023-10-26T17:25:18Z")
in some areas people don’t lock cars and homes. it would be very easy to gain access to a different vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/67 "2023-10-26T17:26:53Z")
True but by the time he abandon the car the word was already out. A likely scenario is that he forced someone to give him their car. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/68 "2023-10-26T17:50:13Z")
That person either would have reported it or is dead and there would be a body. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/69 "2023-10-26T18:20:06Z")
Or they became a chauffeur. They were definitely searching specific areas last night and this morning so they might have some leads to work with. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/70 "2023-10-26T18:36:16Z")
CNN website has a quote "The governor said Maine is preparing state resources, including grief counselors and other mental health services, to help people affected by the shooting rampage. “We need to help our communities heal,” Mills said. Residents who need someone to talk to can call or text the phone number 988 for free and confidential counseling, the governor said." I thought 988 was a suicide crisis hotline; is it more than that? Quite understandably if someone close to you was violently murdered you would be grief stricken & might benefit from talking to a trained professional but that doesn’t necessarily mean you are suicidal. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/71 "2023-10-26T18:42:40Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > I thought 988 was a suicide crisis hotline; is it more than that? Quite understandably if someone close to you was violently murdered you would be grief stricken & might benefit from talking to a trained professional but that doesn’t necessarily mean you are suicidal. From the 988 website: > We can all help prevent suicide. The 988 Lifeline provides 24/7, free and confidential support for people in distress, prevention and crisis resources for you or your loved ones, and best practices for professionals in the United States. > **[988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline](https://988lifeline.org/)** > > Call. Text. Chat. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/72 "2023-10-26T18:44:05Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > We visited Maine and stayed in a cabin for a week when I was a kid. There is virtually nothing north of Bangor until you reach Caribou on the Canadian border. My sister and BiL lived in Presque Isle (about 6 miles from Caribou) for about five years. My sister finally talked him into moving back to California (he grew up in Waterville ME), but, yeah, the towns are small and there’s a lot of open land/forests between them. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/73 "2023-10-26T19:10:10Z")
I thnk it’s wonderful that we now have one # anywhere in the country to call to talk to someone if you’re feeling suicidal. No fumbling thru ‘where am I & who handles despondent people where I am?’ in one’s moment of need. I looked them up before I posted. their first line. “We can all help prevent suicide.” makes the words ‘distress’ & ‘crisis’ in the following sentence that they are related to suicide, not for ‘I witnessed something horrible’ or ‘my loved one is dead’. If they do the latter, they’ve done a horrible job marketing themselves as I never knew they did that & still don’t from looking at their website. Not trying to hijack a breaking news thread ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/74 "2023-10-26T19:30:28Z")
Or as you say, they have trained professionals who deal with emotional issues. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/75 "2023-10-26T19:32:32Z")
They’re back circling South of Lisbon. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/76 "2023-10-26T19:43:57Z")
The latest on Twitter is they think he took off in a 15’ boat at the ramp in Lisbon. I do not like that one bit. A fifteen foot boat is not exactly an ocean going vessel and the Androscoggin flows from Lisbon right past my sister’s house toward the bay. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/77 "2023-10-26T22:04:27Z")
> **[Family of Maine shooting suspect says his mental health had deteriorated rapidly](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-maine-shooting-suspect-says-mental-health-deteriorated-rapidly-rcna122353)** > > The sister-in-law of Robert Card said they had contacted his Army Reserve unit and police after he began hearing voices. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/78 "2023-10-26T22:18:27Z")
When he went on foot it made sense to cross a river so he couldn’t be tracked by dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/79 "2023-10-26T23:47:23Z")
The news showed video of the shooter playing in a cornhole tournament at the bar he shot up. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/80 "2023-10-26T23:52:57Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Eric Rudolph was able to evade and survive for years. But as I understand it, he had help from sympathizers. I doubt this Card guy will have that kind of assistance. On the other hand, there’s probably lots of summer seasonal cottages and cabins he could break into for shelter and supplies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109.md?page=5)