# Active Shooter incident in Lewiston, Maine 10/25/2023 (found dead, presumed suicide) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 26, 2023, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109 "2023-10-26T01:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/81 "2023-10-27T00:01:36Z")
They are at his house doing some “due diligence” I can’t believe he’s in there. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/82 "2023-10-27T00:03:35Z")
Probably looking for evidence of premeditation, grabbing all his electronics to rummage through his search history, etc. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/83 "2023-10-27T00:10:01Z")
Actually, trained dogs can track through water; in fact there are cadaver dogs that can [locate bodies submerged](https://phys.org/news/2015-09-cadaver-dogs-underwater-corpses.html) in rivers and ponds ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/84 "2023-10-27T00:13:48Z")
They seem intent on the Lisbon area. Another helicopter (state police) is circling East of it. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/85 "2023-10-27T00:16:13Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Actually, trained dogs can track through water; in fact there are cadaver dogs that can [locate bodies submerged](https://phys.org/news/2015-09-cadaver-dogs-underwater-corpses.html) in rivers and ponds That might work in a still-water pond but Lisbon is next to a river that feeds a hydro-power plant. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/86 "2023-10-27T00:19:23Z")
They’ve surrounded the house. Have spotlights on it. Calling him out. I think they probably wanna go in. But maybe they saw movement. Who knows. Over a hour now. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/87 "2023-10-27T00:19:30Z")
Is the river wadable? Swimmable? Or he could steal a boat to cross it, but if the boat gets found on the other side, the tracker dog could pick up his scent from there. I wonder whether one reason to go through his home was to collect scent articles for the tracker dogs. Or DNA samples if he’s dead in the woods and his body isn’t found for months. ETA: I recall one or two Mythbusters episodes where the bloodhound was able to track through a stream. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/88 "2023-10-27T00:29:10Z")
The FBI guy on CNN says it’s been under surveillance since last night. Nothing indicating they’ve been inside. A tactical team is there now. Drones, helicopters, flashbacks and all that resource. I don’t believe he’s there. My wag. He’d be kinda dumb to go right back home. I think I heard them say the SUV at the river might be a red herring. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/89 "2023-10-27T00:29:19Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > Eric Rudolph was able to evade and survive for years. > > But as I understand it, he had help from sympathizers. I doubt this Card guy will have that kind of assistance. > > On the other hand, there’s probably lots of summer seasonal cottages and cabins he could break into for shelter and supplies. Most likely yes Rudolph had people helping him. There was a lot of crazy surrounding him and supporting him. Rudolph’s brother videotaped himself cutting off his own hand with a circular saw to show solidarity with his brother. Card doesn’t have that kind of support. > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > They’ve surrounded the house. Have spotlights on it. Calling him out. I think they probably wanna go in. But maybe they saw movement. Who knows. Over a hour now. Depending on the house thermal cameras could tell if there is someone inside. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/90 "2023-10-27T00:31:36Z")
It looks like they may be going in, now. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/91 "2023-10-27T00:34:24Z")
That might not be his house they have surrounded. I just read this: > Investigators have searched Card’s home in Bowdoin, where sources told ABC News they found a note. It was described by sources as a suicide note addressed to Card’s son. That search that found the note was in the afternoon. Then [this evening](https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/lewiston-maine-mass-shooting/suspect-left-suicide-note-in-home-sources-104397468?id=104322983): > A convoy of armored police vehicles lined the road near a home in Bowdoin, around 7 p.m. ET, Thursday evening. > > “Robert Card, you’re under arrest. Come out now,” officers yelled through a megaphone. > > “Drop everything and come outside…If anyone is in the residence, walk outside and walk to the front of the driveway,” they said. That news source also said this: > Information provided to law enforcement shows that Robert Card appears to have “interacted with conspiratorial content” online. > > Topics he engaged with included, but were not limited to, concerns about a financial crisis/stock market, LGBTQ+ issues, gun rights and commentary about Democratic public officials, including President Joe Biden. > > It remains unknown whether any of his social media usage played any role in the suspect’s decision to go on his rampage Wednesday night. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/92 "2023-10-27T00:36:45Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Topics he engaged with included, but were not limited to, concerns about a financial crisis/stock market, LGBTQ+ issues, gun rights and commentary about Democratic public officials, including President Joe Biden. It would be weird if he was one of our recent RWNJ trolls. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/93 "2023-10-27T00:53:23Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > There’s another helicopter in the area doing search patterns right now. Can’t tell who owns it but it has a monstrous camera mounted to it based on the picture. > [@Magiver](#): > > They’re back circling South of Lisbon. > [@Magiver](#): > > They seem intent on the Lisbon area. Another helicopter (state police) is circling East of it. > [@Magiver](#): > > That might work in a still-water pond but Lisbon is next to a river that feeds a hydro-power plant. So where are you that you’re seeing these helicopters and are familiar with the area? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/94 "2023-10-27T01:00:48Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > So where are you that you’re seeing these helicopters and are familiar with the area? There are a number of sites that track aircraft. Flight Radar24, Flight Aware and others ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/95 "2023-10-27T01:07:53Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > There are a number of sites that track aircraft. I was starting to picture you as Ray Liotta in _Goodfellas_. [![](https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2022/duHKSX.gif) ](https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2022/duHKSX.gif) ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/96 "2023-10-27T01:12:42Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > There are a number of sites that track aircraft. Flight Radar24, Flight Aware and others Ah. So to be clear, you aren’t actually reporting things that you are seeing but things that others have reported. That’s fine, I think but I’m more accustomed to folks saying things like, “Flight24 is showing that…” or, “ABC says the FBI have…” or even, “I just saw online that the suspect…”. I was confused because I thought you were reporting first-hand information. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/97 "2023-10-27T01:21:20Z")
Okay, maybe the surrounded house is Card’s after all, given this update from [CNN’s ongoing live update](https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-shootings-active-shooter-10-25-23/index.html) thread: > Law enforcement officials returned to the Lewiston shooting suspect’s last known address on Thursday evening, according to CNN teams on the scene. > > A spokesperson with the Maine Department of Public Safety, Shannon Moss, told CNN law enforcement is “not positive Robert Card is in this house,” adding officials are “simply doing our due diligence.” > > Investigators detected something inside or near Card’s home, which has prompted the activity, a law enforcement official said. They don’t know what or who it is. > > At least five law enforcement vehicles, including an armored vehicle, are on scene, CNN reports. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/98 "2023-10-27T01:32:13Z")
[Well you can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay…](https://www.google.com/search?q=well+you+can+call+me+ray&sca_esv=577006998&ei=8ws7ZaGaNM6c0PEPvLiZ8AU&oq=well+you+can+call+me+&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFXdlbGwgeW91IGNhbiBjYWxsIG1lICoCCAAyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yCBAAGIoFGIYDSNBQUIsJWNU8cAJ4AZABA5gB8gKgAfovqgEJMC4xNy4xMC4zuAEByAEA-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&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:abdadd18,vid:ZCqh5ROtQRg,st:0) After spending a lot of time circling south of Bowdoin the helicopter moved to NE of Lewiston and then left the area. Having nothing to do with anything but it looks like a medical helicopter landed in Lewsiston. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/99 "2023-10-27T01:36:16Z")
I was wondering about that too as as Magiver was posting about all the helicopters circling last night I was watching a live shot from the site with the guy saying, “we haven’t seen any helicopter overhead in a while.” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109/100 "2023-10-27T01:40:27Z")
Where were they reporting from last night? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023-found-dead-presumed-suicide/992109.md?page=6)