# Activist judge slags GSA **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 3, 2004, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417 "2004-03-03T23:53:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/21 "2004-03-04T18:25:04Z")
> [@spectrum](#): > > I think what the poster was implying is that people are maligning the GSA group as an attempt to recruit kids into _homosexuality_, which is, of course, impossible. I think **ETF** ’s point is _exactly_ that. The people who are against this sort of thing don’t necessarily see it as a tool for the promotion of buttsex, but to a lot of them the promotion of buttsex and the promotion of goodwill and tolerance between gays/lesbians and straight people are analogous. ---
**Author:** ![ElwoodCuse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/edb3f5/32.png) [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/22 "2004-03-04T19:08:29Z")
If “the local school officials and parents are in the best position to determine what subject matter is reasonable and will be allowed on LISD campuses”, then should that school district in Washington have stuck with their gut instinct to keep the kids from forming a religious club in the _Prince_ case? Even the pinko-commie-godless-America-haters on the Ninth Circuit (/sarcasm) said the First Amendment allowed the kids to form their club and meet on school grounds. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/23 "2004-03-04T20:24:46Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Only a truly twisted person could pervert that into “promoting underage buttsex.” Okay, who wants a t-shirt that says “promoting underage buttsex since 1992 (it’s taking longer than we thought)”? ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/24 "2004-03-04T20:55:56Z")
> [@](#): > > But, U.S. District Judge Sam R. Cummings in a summary judgment said that “the local school officials and parents are in the best position to determine what subject matter is reasonable and will be allowed on LISD campuses.” Does that spell the end of state-wide curriculum standards and tests? ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/25 "2004-03-04T21:51:47Z")
> [@DirkGntly](#): > > **Poly,** > but that doesn’t change the fact that the organization is there to promote a particular agenda and/or educate people about themselves, their lifestyle, etc. 31 years and we still have people with more than one post actually contending that there is a homosexual lifestyle? No wonder it’s taking longer than we thought. ---
**Author:** ![Truth\_Seeker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Truth\_Seeker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truth_Seeker)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/26 "2004-03-05T00:13:08Z")
I just want to observe that it’s vaguely disturbing that no one has pointed out that GSA is supposed to be an abbreviation for “Girl Scouts of America” rather than “Gay-Straight Alliance.” The confusion is a serious problem. For one thing, I was expecting some activist judge to be going after the Girl Scouts. For another thing, while I’m all in favour of gay rights, their cookies suck. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/27 "2004-03-05T00:29:25Z")
> [@Truth Seeker](#): > > The confusion is a serious problem. For one thing, I was expecting some activist judge to be going after the Girl Scouts. For another thing, while I’m all in favour of gay rights, their cookies suck. Actually, there’s a local hubbub currently running regarding the Girl Scouts, who are being funded (or something; I only briefly read the article enough to get a general idea of what’s going on) by Planned Parenthood. The local bastion of journalism, the Kingsport Times-News ([www.timesnews.net](http://www.timesnews.net)), had something on this today, though as of yet I’m not finding it … it might have been included in the “local daily insert”, which I just today happened upon. I’ll see if I can drum up something for you if you’re interested. Meantime here’s an article on it that touches on the general ideas I read about: [cite](http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37278). The gist of the broohaha is that some parents are upset that their female children (I’m under the impression that the GSA is available to both girls and young women) have been made aware of, and in some cases given, information regarding among other things such hot-button topics as homosexuality, masturbation and condoms. Accordingly many girls’ parents have withdrawn them from local chapters to the point that two girls (out of how many I have no idea) are left. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/28 "2004-03-05T00:38:05Z")
> [@Really Not All That Bright](#): > > I think **ETF** ’s point is _exactly_ that. The people who are against this sort of thing don’t necessarily see it as a tool for the promotion of buttsex, but to a lot of them the promotion of buttsex and the promotion of goodwill and tolerance between gays/lesbians and straight people are analogous. YES! YES! Thank you for getting my point. When you’ve got a school superintendent equating a Gay-Straight Alliance with Bestiality Clubs and such-like, I have to believe that attitude arises (more like crawls up out of the slime) from conflating tolerance of and learning about differences with promotion of “deviant” sex. And **spectrum** , you nailed it too: > [@](#): > > I think what the poster was implying is that people are maligning the GSA group as an attempt to recruit kids into homosexuality, which is, of course, impossible. **Cervaise** , do those T shirts come in size large? In blue with gold lettering, maybe? Oh, and **Mtgman** , thanks for thinking of MY bitch in this fight. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/29 "2004-03-05T01:08:03Z")
> [@Truth Seeker](#): > > I just want to observe that it’s vaguely disturbing that no one has pointed out that GSA is supposed to be an abbreviation for “Girl Scouts of America” rather than “Gay-Straight Alliance.” Whereas **I** thought the judges was slagging the [General Services Administration](http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/home.do?tabId=0). Not liking the layout on one of their forms, or some such nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/30 "2004-03-05T01:52:08Z")
> [@iampunha](#): > > The gist of the broohaha is that some parents are upset that their female children (I’m under the impression that the GSA is available to both girls and young women) have been made aware of, and in some cases given, information regarding among other things such hot-button topics as homosexuality, masturbation and condoms. Accordingly many girls’ parents have withdrawn them from local chapters to the point that two girls (out of how many I have no idea) are left. There’s a [related Pit thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=243222) that’s currently active. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/31 "2004-03-05T02:30:34Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > Does that spell the end of state-wide curriculum standards and tests? I’m shocked that you’re upset with this ruling. Certainly I’m upset, because this judge is ignoring the proper method of statutory construction in favor of his own ideas about justice. But that’s exactly what you recommend judges do. I’d expect you to perhaps be upset with the outcome, but acknowledge that the judge is acting appropriately. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/32 "2004-03-05T02:54:26Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > **Cervaise** , do those T shirts come in size large? In blue with gold lettering, maybe? Sorry, rainbow tie-dye only. ---
**Author:** ![SubliminaLiar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/da6949/32.png) [@SubliminaLiar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SubliminaLiar)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/33 "2004-03-05T03:13:37Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally Posted by Cervaise_ > **…“promoting underage buttsex since 1992 > (it’s taking longer than we thought)”…** \*\* insert (!) Michael Jackson humor here \*\* 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/34 "2004-03-05T05:26:34Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’m shocked that you’re upset with this ruling. Certainly I’m upset, because this judge is ignoring the proper method of statutory construction in favor of his own ideas about justice. > > But that’s exactly what you recommend judges do. I’d expect you to perhaps be upset with the outcome, but acknowledge that the judge is acting appropriately. > > - Rick Except that it ignores precedents set by a higher court. Your simplistic, dishonest misrepresentation of my position is pathetically transparent. Perhaps sarcasm isn’t your best suit. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/35 "2004-03-05T13:57:53Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > Except that it ignores precedents set by a higher court. Your simplistic, dishonest misrepresentation of my position is pathetically transparent. Perhaps sarcasm isn’t your best suit. OK, fair enough. In the hopefully unlikely event that this judge’s ruling is affirmed, I assume you’ll be pleased, or at least sanguine. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417/36 "2004-03-05T14:18:16Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > In the hopefully unlikely event that this judge’s ruling is affirmed, I assume you’ll be pleased, or at least sanguine. Neither actually. Just because I accept the way the system works doesn’t mean I’m always happy with the outcome. Are you always pleased with the outcome as long as it fits your preferred method of legislative action? Did DOMA please you? Does Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell please you? I’d be shocked to learn that you’re happy with every piece of legislation that gets passed, although it follows the legislative process to the letter. If you can dissent from the outcomes, why am I supposed to be pleased as punch with any outcome? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/activist-judge-slags-gsa/232417.md?page=1)