# Actual attempts of Republicans trying to steal the upcoming presidential election in 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 20, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533 "2024-09-20T22:16:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/81 "2024-09-23T22:09:50Z")
Me too. More than once I find myself looking for an upvote button even though I know there isn’t one. Maybe something for ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/82 "2024-09-23T22:12:22Z")
I am not sure if this is good or bad. I guess good since the sheriffs office is not trusted…but bad because less security? Not sure…any opinions? > **[Department won't provide election security after sheriff's posts about Harris...](https://apnews.com/article/ohio-sheriff-social-media-harris-yard-signs-b8867981ca06db3a3ce82f11370b7ee0)** > > A local Ohio elections board says the county sheriff's department won't be used for election security. > A local Ohio elections board says the county sheriff’s department will not be used for election security following [a social media post by the sheriff](https://apnews.com/article/ohio-sheriff-social-media-harris-yard-signs-fb116241e7119cac51f4a03a8b6c4cf1) saying people with Kamala Harris yard signs should have their addresses recorded so that immigrants can be sent to live with them if the Democratic vice president wins the November election. ---
**Author:** ![vbob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vbob/32/4439_2.png) [@vbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vbob)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/83 "2024-09-23T22:31:22Z")
> [@RAWDuke](#): > > The hand-counters won’t be tallying how many votes each candidate received — that’s what the machines do. Sure - but who counts the machines? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/84 "2024-09-23T22:33:12Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > The ‘middle’ strip would contain most of the city of Omaha and then would be a narrow swath bisecting about a dozen counties to the western border. Which would still be pretty tame, as gerrymanders go. A lot of gerrymanders involve widely-separated regions connected by tendrils so thin that literally nobody lives in the tendril. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/85 "2024-09-23T22:33:49Z")
People do. IIRC there are spot checks on the machines where humans check to see the machine is counting properly. We have some poll workers on here who can probably say more about that. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/86 "2024-09-23T22:35:28Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > A lot of gerrymanders involve widely-separated regions connected by tendrils so thin that literally nobody lives in the tendril. In Illinois some connections are highways/roads (so yeah…no one lives there). I’ve seen it other places as well. Not particularly unusual unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/87 "2024-09-23T22:43:03Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > In Illinois some connections are highways/roads (so yeah…no one lives there). I’ve seen it other places as well. Not particularly unusual unfortunately. hijack It’s not always for nefarious reasons (a.k.a. gerrymandering). In North Carolina, it was to comply with an effort (perhaps legally mandated?) to create a “majority minority” district – to ensure that one congressional district would be likely to represent a “community of interest” (in this case, defined by race). So, basically, several cities linked by “threads” along interstate highways. /hijack ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/88 "2024-09-23T23:22:23Z")
From Wonkette, a different sort of political news site: > **[Trump-Graham Ratf\*cking Of Nebraska Electoral Votes Appears Defeated, For Now](https://www.wonkette.com/p/trump-graham-ratfcking-of-nebraska)** > > Let us hope it stays that way. > In a winning blow for democracy and a losing blow for Donald Trump, it looks as if the great state of Nebraska will not be making its electoral vote allocation winner-take-all in 2024. The good news comes thanks to a Republican (_what?_ ) whose support was crucial to the endeavor. It seems that voters were calling the office of this Republican, and in a novel twist, he chose listening to his constituents over doing Trump’s bidding. (_Whaaaaaaat???_ ) > … ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/89 "2024-09-23T23:25:19Z")
Great news! This republican is one I would probably be happy voting for (I do not live in Nebraska though). If Harris wins I hope she considers him for some cabinet position. Not as a reward but rather as a republican with some ethics. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/90 "2024-09-23T23:50:34Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > We have some poll workers on here who can probably say more about that. Worked polls as a polling place judge for 20 or so years. The 6 member polling place board is always balanced with R, D and Independent workers. Counting is done by two people of two different affiliations, R & D, or D & Independent, etc. Throughout the long day, positions are switched so no any one person is maintaining the sign in log or checking IDs, etc, so cooking the books some how would take a whole lot of conniving and sabotage. We always know how many voters, how many ballots we’ve handed out and at the end of the night that ballot count (again by two people of different parties) has to match what comes out of the locked ballot box voters return their marked ballots to. Then, after we judges seal the box that the ballots travel to the election commission office in (under constant supervision by the polling place Chief Judge until she hands them over within an hour of the polling close). The commission office then does another count so no extras are slipped in or taken out between that polling place and the counting office. The seals have the signature of two workers who are not the person transporting ballots so the transporter can’t just replace the signature seals with a forged signature after interfering with the ballots. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/91 "2024-09-24T00:03:26Z")
Is this a lame attempt at a steal? It seems too much to be a “mistake” or an “oopsie.” How does an entire state not list one of the two major candidates for president on their ballot? I kinda want to think it was just a mistake but how bad do you have to fuck-up to get this wrong? I dunno… > **[Montana voting system shut down after Kamala Harris left off ballot](https://www.newsweek.com/montana-voting-system-shut-down-1957839)** > > Montana temporarily shut down its online absentee voting system after a voter realized that Kamala Harris was not listed. > Montana’s election season has gotten off to a rocky start after absentee voters realized [Kamala Harris](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/kamala-harris) was not a listed candidate on their ballot. > > The state was forced to shut down its electronic absentee voter system after it went live on September 20 when a voter reported that there was no option to vote for the vice president. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/92 "2024-09-24T00:32:30Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I kinda want to think it was just a mistake but how bad do you have to fuck-up to get this wrong? I hope so too, but the fact that Montana is one of the the Reddest states in the nation causes me to have some doubts. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/93 "2024-09-24T00:37:01Z")
If Republicans think they have to cheat to win Montana then they’re in far deeper shit than any of us suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/94 "2024-09-24T00:41:40Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I kinda want to think it was just a mistake but how bad do you have to fuck-up to get this wrong? > > I dunno… One of the saddest things to me about the Trump era is how a system that has functioned beyond reproach for our entire history, that of our elections, is now repeatedly called into question because a man who can’t stop committing crimes and lying about _everything_, characterizes them, without evidence, as “rigged,” and we now question every discrepancy. I lived in Montana. They’re not stupid people. If they intended to do something to fuck with the election, I’m confident they would have opted for something less… obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/95 "2024-09-24T00:45:33Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I hope so too, but the fact that Montana is one of the the Reddest states in the nation causes me to have some doubts. If by “one of the reddest states in the nation”, you mean “less than 50% Republican by self-identification” and “frequently has Democratic governors and senators, including one current senator”. I mean, yeah, it’s going to go for Trump, but it’s not the paragon of redness. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > I lived in Montana. They’re not stupid people. If they intended to do something to fuck with the election, I’m confident they would have opted for something less… obvious. You’d think so, but then, you’d also think that a mistake this blatant would have been caught by someone before it went live. Something implausible definitely happened, and now we need to figure out which implausible thing it was. And Montanan Republicans aren’t subtle: Remember, the current governor launched his career into overdrive by assaulting a reporter. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/96 "2024-09-24T00:48:17Z")
I think the rule is to push all the buttons. When elections are as close as they have been you take anything and everything you can get. Republicans can see they consistently lose the popular vote so they know they simply must game the system if they want to win. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/97 "2024-09-24T00:58:30Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If by “one of the reddest states in the nation”, you mean “less than 50% Republican by self-identification” and “frequently has Democratic governors and senators, including one current senator”. Of the last 13 presidential election, they voted republican 12 times, and trump won 2020 & 2016 with over 56% of the vote. But Okay Wyoming and a few others beat them out, so maybe not one of the _most_ republican states- I will give you that. But this year they are solidly predicted to go trump. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/98 "2024-09-24T01:03:46Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I lived in Montana. They’re not stupid people. If they intended to do something to fuck with the election, I’m confident they would have opted for something less… obvious. Yeah…if there were any shenanigans (and I am not saying there were) I suspect it was some drone who could meddle with the website and took it upon themself to delete Harris. But even that is super stupid. I’d think someone smart enough to be in that job would realize it would not work. The alternative is the people who worked to setup the voting site are borderline criminally incompetent. I get mistakes happen but how could this be missed? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/99 "2024-09-24T01:18:49Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > The alternative is the people who worked to setup the voting site are borderline criminally incompetent. I get mistakes happen but how could this be missed? Or maybe it was done for the purpose of causing people to doubt the competence of the people running an election to run an election. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533/100 "2024-09-24T01:20:21Z")
Oooh…good point! (really) Scary if republicans can be that subtle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-attempts-of-republicans-trying-to-steal-the-upcoming-presidential-election-in-2024/1007533.md?page=6)