# Actual forums user "RedFury" does not like Jews **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 19, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-forums-user-redfury-does-not-like-jews/568217 "2011-01-19T17:12:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 330
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-forums-user-redfury-does-not-like-jews/568217/330 "2011-02-03T18:00:48Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > Underlined item 1: Never claimed that. As usual, newcomer is equal parts dishonest and plain stupid. It was pointed out that Fisk is a 9/11 Truther, due to his babbling about “unanswered questions” and how “steel can’t melt due to kerosene fires” and “so why did building 7 really collapse and collapse into its own footprint”, and so on. Newcomer’s response was that, no, Fisk was not a Truther. Because, underlining mine: > [@Is Robert Fisk all he's cracked up to be?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-robert-fisk-all-hes-cracked-up-to-be/569039/27): > > He is not. > > I’ve read the article (link, again: [http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-even-i-question-the-truth-about-911-462904.html](http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-even-i-question-the-truth-about-911-462904.html)) and I’m at a loss at how anyone can be so disingenuous to flat out brand him as truther. The article is much nuanced, it clearly designates a truther (his term is raver) and he separates himself from that (which also he suggests maybe due to some psychological issue) and points out certain parts of the narrative that just simply does not make any sense. > > I understand that it is always easier to go along to get along so if that’s your thing fine. But if you can swallow that fiery explosion and burning kerosene destroys steel beams but terrorist passports survive in the debris then I want what you’re on. If you can swallow naming the terrorists only for several of them to show up in various places well and alive, again, great for you. If you can swallow that witnesses saw Mossad agents high-fiving each other on top of the van at the sight of burning Twin Towers and they go free, again, great, I admire your rectitude. But please don’t go around and preach because common sense is not your thing. Perhaps newcomer is really stupid enough to think that most people aer totally unfamiliar with the Just Asking Questions style of 9/11 Trooferism. What am I saying, of course newcomer is that stupid. He’s also a conspiracy nut who thinks that Mossad had anything to do with 9/11. > [@newcomer](#): > > Underlined item 2: The tale of unrelated events where, in fact, one is independent of the other. And this, again, shows just how painfully stupid newcomer’s tiny little mind is. He’s convinced that Israel said “no” to offers made by the PA, even though negotiations were still ongoing up to the point where Abbas unilaterally suspended them, three separate times. I really believe that newcomer is dumb enough that he thinks there is some sort of dishonesty inherent in pointing out that the actual facts why negotiations stopped. as it is somehow unfair since they get in the way of his beliefs. Or maybe he’s stupid enough to think that in negotiations as complicated as the I-P issue, that one side makes an issue on a few particulars and rather than hammering out the fine points and a series of proposals and counter-proposals, the other side just goes “Ayup, where do we sign?” Maybe he thinks that high stakes negotiations are like a one hour TV drama, and once the dramatic reveal happens in act III, you have some tension in act IV before everything is finally and predictably wrapped up just after the last commercial break and before American Gladiators comes on. > [@newcomer](#): > > find me one commentator who gets same conclusion (but you won’t Google because even the Google cannot make stuff up). Again, newcomer is possibly one of the dumbest fucks we’ve got here. The truth isn’t to be revealed by a sober analysis of the facts, putting everything in context and chronological sequence. No, the facts are just “pseudocomplexity” that’s designed to, cruelly, attempt to get him to part from his narrative which he _knows_ is the truth. And if there’s any doubt of the truthiness of his narrative, why, the number of pundits who agree is the defining factor. P.S. The idiocy he’s evinced even in this thread is positively nifty. First he accuses Libby of being an Israeli agent in name if not in deed, outing Plame in order to cover up justifications for the Iraq war (evidently newcomer is also Just Asking Questions about Israel’s involvement in that, too). Then, naturally, when he’s called out on how that’s a profoundly stupid conspiracy theory, all of a sudden Libby wasn’t _really_ serving as an Israeli cat’s paw or actual agent when it came to Iraq but, naturally, just to I-P negotiations where the rest of the American government was totally duped by a masterful deception, organized by a guy named Scooter. Why, they didn’t even realize that his negotiating position wasn’t one that they’d authorized. Or maybe the administration just said “ya know what Scooter, just do whatever you want, we don’t normally give our negotiators instructions anyways.” Newcomer is a perfect mascot for the coterie-of-fools who rally to this subject. > [@newcomer](#): > > Are you calling me anti-semite??? I’m calling you really, really, really stupid. Does that count? --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/actual-forums-user-redfury-does-not-like-jews/568217)._