# Adaher is a Big Giant RACIST **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 3, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740 "2015-04-03T19:48:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2015, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/221 "2015-04-11T04:16:43Z")
No, I just conceded that if you’re advertising and handing out business cards, you’re a business. I did not concede that businesses shouldn’t have redress in the courts if the business is a religious business and it’s being asked to violate that religion. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2015, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/222 "2015-04-11T05:30:38Z")
Well, then, you’re a racist, and the OP was right all along. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2015, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/223 "2015-04-11T05:46:00Z")
Then the entire Congress is racist, because they supported a racist law that allows just that. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/224 "2017-03-15T05:25:15Z")
Oh, here, let’s revive\* this \*thread. Adaher is hijacking the SRIOTD thread, again. I responded to him twice and realized that that was stupid. So I found a thread about adaher and racism! Good! > [@Stupid Republican idea of the day](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/32959): > > Yet being an asshole is not treated as near criminal in most cases when it is not based on racism. Assholes are all around us, and many of them have good paying jobs. Racism is rarer, and primarily the province of the poor and disaffected. Because if you’re racist and actually express racist views in public, expect to stay poor. Or, you know, stay in the White House. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/225 "2017-03-15T16:49:33Z")
Trump has Fuck You Money. Any average American who expresses even mild racist views is going to stay poor, which is why almost all outspoken racists are poor. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/226 "2017-03-15T16:52:17Z")
I’d also note that he got elected because we have a little problem in this country. For the first time in most of our lifetimes, racism is getting worse. The trendline has generally been towards it getting better. I suppose we can just stick with the normal strategy: “Trump supporters are racists, we’ll purge them from our society!”, or we can address the root causes that have turned your neighbors into resentful folks. Oh wait, foolsguinea, you think they SHOULD be resentful, you just would prefer they hate different people. Funny how encouraging people to be angry doesn’t always work out as planned. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/227 "2017-03-15T17:31:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Trump has Fuck You Money. Any average American who expresses even mild racist views is going to stay poor, which is why almost all outspoken racists are poor. Do you have a cite for this? Richard Spencer and David Duke (and Steve King, for that matter) all seem to be doing well for themselves (while not rich, they don’t appear to be poor either). There exists a whole genre of white supremacist music – so there are obviously enough consumers and customers to support some non-zero amount of professional white supremacists. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/228 "2017-03-15T17:32:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’d also note that he got elected because we have a little problem in this country. For the first time in most of our lifetimes, racism is getting worse. The trendline has generally been towards it getting better. I suppose we can just stick with the normal strategy: “Trump supporters are racists, we’ll purge them from our society!”, or we can address the root causes that have turned your neighbors into resentful folks. > > Oh wait, foolsguinea, you think they SHOULD be resentful, you just would prefer they hate different people. Funny how encouraging people to be angry doesn’t always work out as planned. This is one theory – another is that these folks expressing racist stuff more openly now always felt that way, they just feel like now they can publicly express their beliefs without as much pushback. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/229 "2017-03-15T18:20:28Z")
If it wasn’t focused on such specific issues, issues that even Democrats have not always been afraid to race bait on, you might be right. But 21st century xenophobia is about very specific things, both here and in Europe. Here it’s primarily economic, and in Europe it’s primarily about the incompatibility of cultures. Plus the small matter of European countries actually being homelands for a particular race of people, which gives them more of a leg to stand on when wanting to maintain the character of their country. France isn’t some ideal like America, it’s literally the homeland of the French people. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/230 "2017-03-15T18:24:59Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If it wasn’t focused on such specific issues, issues that even Democrats have not always been afraid to race bait on, you might be right. But 21st century xenophobia is about very specific things, both here and in Europe. Here it’s primarily economic, and in Europe it’s primarily about the incompatibility of cultures. Plus the small matter of European countries actually being homelands for a particular race of people, which gives them more of a leg to stand on when wanting to maintain the character of their country. France isn’t some ideal like America, it’s literally the homeland of the French people. You’re just making assertions – I don’t think it’s “primarily economic” here; that might be some part of it, but I see no reason to believe that it’s significantly different than the most common forms of racism and bigotry through American history, which certainly weren’t about economics. ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/231 "2017-03-15T18:26:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This is one theory – another is that these folks expressing racist stuff more openly now always felt that way, they just feel like now they can publicly express their beliefs without as much pushback. No. “Racism” is getting worse because liberals have decided that it is now “racist” to expect or even assume that minorities should TRY to find success and advancement in life through assimilation/becoming productive members of society. Ironic, given that for generations, whites have been blamed for impeding that kind of success. Do you see much “racist stuff” being expressed in Arlington? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/232 "2017-03-15T18:28:29Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > No. > “Racism” is getting worse because liberals have decided that it is now “racist” to expect or even assume that minorities should TRY to find success and advancement in life through assimilation/becoming productive members of society. Ironic, given that for generations, whites have been blamed for impeding that kind of success. What liberals make this claim? Where are you getting this information? ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/233 "2017-03-15T18:37:28Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If it wasn’t focused on such specific issues, issues that even Democrats have not always been afraid to race bait on, you might be right. But 21st century xenophobia is about very specific things, both here and in Europe. Here it’s primarily economic, and in Europe it’s primarily about the incompatibility of cultures. Plus the small matter of European countries actually being homelands for a particular race of people, which gives them more of a leg to stand on when wanting to maintain the character of their country. France isn’t some ideal like America, it’s literally the homeland of the French people. Good point. I’ve always found it absolutely astounding that most all the relatively small European countries bordering each other for centuries have maintained such distinct and different cultures and languages. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/234 "2017-03-15T18:37:49Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > No. > “Racism” is getting worse because liberals have decided that it is now “racist” to expect or even assume that minorities should TRY to find success and advancement in life through assimilation/becoming productive members of society. Ironic, given that for generations, whites have been blamed for impeding that kind of success.? No, this is actually a racist statement because you are generalizing about every individual that is party of a minority group. Your statement assumes that members of minority groups are not currently trying to “find success and advancement in life through assimilation/becoming productive members of society”. What on earth makes you think this is a true statement about every single person you are making it about? Also, what liberal have you ever heard say anything like this? I think you need to offer some citations on that or it won’t be taken seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/235 "2017-03-15T18:39:55Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > Good point. I’ve always found it absolutely astounding that most all the relatively small European countries bordering each other for centuries have maintained such distinct and different cultures and languages. Well if we want to maintain the original American culture, wouldn’t that be the Native American culture? We already changed the culture of this land, so why the assumption that it should never change any further? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/236 "2017-03-15T18:41:42Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > No. > “Racism” is getting worse because liberals have decided that it is now “racist” to expect or even assume that minorities should TRY to find success and advancement in life through assimilation/becoming productive members of society. Ironic, given that for generations, whites have been blamed for impeding that kind of success. This might be true of fantasy liberals, but not the vast majority of real world liberals. Perhaps this is the explanation for why fantasy-racism has worsened in fantasy-land. For more discussions about fantasy worlds, I suggest you start a new thread – discussion of fiction usually goes in Cafe Society. > [@](#): > > Do you see much “racist stuff” being expressed in Arlington? Maybe a bit more lately, not that I have any idea how this is relevant. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/237 "2017-03-15T18:53:43Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > Good point. I’ve always found it absolutely astounding that most all the relatively small European countries bordering each other for centuries have maintained such distinct and different cultures and languages. I’m wondering if you’ve ever been to Europe or whether you’re aware of the high proportion of Europeans who fluently speak more than one language. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/238 "2017-03-15T18:58:09Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Well if we want to maintain the original American culture, wouldn’t that be the Native American culture? We already changed the culture of this land, so why the assumption that it should never change any further? Well, there really isn’t much of an American culture, it’s whatever our melting pot produces. With one exception: our Constitution and Bill of Rights, the concepts of limited government, that’s unchangeable. It’s the basic compact of this nation and immune to cultural changes, as it should be. But I don’t consider any part of our culture outside the makeup of our government to be sacred, not even the English language. ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/239 "2017-03-15T19:02:24Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > No, this is actually a racist statement because you are generalizing about every individual that is party of a minority group. Your statement assumes that members of minority groups are not currently trying to “find success and advancement in life through assimilation/becoming productive members of society”. > > What on earth makes you think this is a true statement about every single person you are making it about? Also, what liberal have you ever heard say anything like this? I think you need to offer some citations on that or it won’t be taken seriously. No, I do not generalize about all members of any minority group. Liberals do, and consider them all victims. My statement assumes nothing. ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/240 "2017-03-15T19:06:40Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I’m wondering if you’ve ever been to Europe or whether you’re aware of the high proportion of Europeans who fluently speak more than one language. Stationed there for a few years while in the Army. How does the fact that many Europeans speak multiple languages negate my observation? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740.md?page=13)