# Adaher is a Big Giant RACIST **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 3, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740 "2015-04-03T19:48:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/21 "2015-04-03T21:47:41Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Also, I don’t think adaher is necessarily racist. I think he’s a dishonest twat that will say anything, anything whatsoever, in the moment if he thinks it gives him rhetorical advantage. He’s just a motormouth who throws a lot of chaff to see what will stick. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > And, I think he probably does not even realize that, despite having been told so repeatedly. In a thread of the ICE lawsuit about the Dreamers that was dismissed in the courts, **adaher** did wilfully ignore how racist and nativist groups were funding and pushing that lawsuit along. I can say that it is true that not all conservatives and republicans are racists but it is really, really ugly how people like adaher dismiss evidence that shows how misguided is the support that many conservatives are offering to many celebrated lawsuits or new laws that are driving the Republicans nowadays. I think that racism is a form of extreme ignorance, and unfortunately many like adaher do not care much about who is pushing for lawsuits or laws full of prejudice as long as the result is to stop any progressive moves. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/22 "2015-04-03T21:56:40Z")
He has shown his proper RW colors. I have seen all these false equivalencies get thrown around (e.g., Alan Bakke, to go way back) and have come to the conclusion that RW-types simply cannot understand the concept of racism. Perhaps there _is_ some sort of double standard or something, though it does not seem like it to me at least in the context of addressing the problem(s). Ultimately, I guess we need to find a way to reframe the discussion in a way that makes the RWers understand why we need to do the things we need to do the way we need to do them. But, really, racism is like alcoholism. Those people are simply defective and need some kind of therapy. **adaher** is not a bad person, it is not his fault, he is just fucked up and needs help. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/23 "2015-04-03T22:00:40Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I don’t think that he is a racist, I just think that he is OK with other people being racist, and the effect that it has on racial minorities. In the same way that Libertarians may not actively hate poor people they just don’t care about them. I don’t think he thinks that blacks are inferior he just thinks that if they can’t find a lunch counter that will accept them then that’s just their bad luck. That sounds a lot like a drunk enabler. adaher and many like him are IMHO enablers of the ones pushing for prejudice. Unfortunately there is no 12 step program for that condition.\* - (Actually I have found some examples and books that claim that such programs do exist for racists but, I do know that AA and programs like that are not as good as they claim to be.) On Edit: and I really did not see that **eschereal** post before I posted this one. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/24 "2015-04-03T22:40:19Z")
Nothing I’ve seen here shows **adaher** as a racist. It shows that he believes race can be a primary factor in making economic decisions. Which is a libertarian, laissez-faire philosophy. Racism is “I’m tired of all the niggers takin’ our jobs. They are lazy and incompetent.” Stop diluting what racism is. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/25 "2015-04-03T22:54:15Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Racism is “I’m tired of all the niggers takin’ our jobs. They are lazy and incompetent.” > > Stop diluting what racism is. That’s one form of racism, but there are lots of others. I don’t know necessarily if **adaher** has exhibited any of them. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/26 "2015-04-03T23:47:59Z")
Lots of institutional racism doesn’t require a personal belief that one race is worse, but it totally comes across like that. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/27 "2015-04-04T00:08:01Z")
I don’t get a racist vibe out of him. I think he’s a pleasant enough fellow, rather blinded by partisanship but I don’t think a bad person. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/28 "2015-04-04T00:14:21Z")
I’ll post my response in both threads, plus some special additional commentary for Ann: THe original Civil Rights Act infringed on freedom of association. It did so in order to balance the rights of African-Americans to participate in American life with the rights of people to associate with who they want to and avoid those they don’t want to. The Civil Rights Act carved out some exceptions to freedom of association having to do with government, business, and housing, while leaving other spheres for people to continue to be racist if they wanted to, such as in personal relationships. I think we all agree that any law requiring you to consider dating a person of another race or else get sued for racism would violate fundamental freedoms unacceptably. For areas not covered by the law, we just say “You’re a racist!” and use our own freedom of association to choose not to associate with them rather than bring down the weight of the government on such people. To put it in legal terms, freedom of association, like any 1st amendment freedom, can only be infringed if the government has a compelling interest at stake. Such as allowing African-Americans full particpation in the economic life of the country. Ann, you compounded your original mistake by starting a pit thread. You were ignorant of what freedom of association was, you were ignorant about compelling interests are, and you rushed to judgment in a way very similar to how racists do: “anyone who defends X in some way must love X!” I was defending the right to be racist as a purely legal matter, just as other posters have defended flag burning, pornography, blasphemy, etc. As for the other posters in this thread, accusations of racism are such a loaded issue that chastising me for my other shortcomings as a poster are simply not appropriate. The proper way to handle this thread is to simply explain to this simpleton that I’m not a racist and that such a charge shouldn’t be thrown around so ignorantly. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/29 "2015-04-04T00:17:13Z")
Oh, and next time you see 50 posters not call me a racist for an argument I’m making and wonder why it “slipped under their radar”, you should come to the logical conclusion that you’re mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/30 "2015-04-04T00:47:19Z")
Not really, it just means 50 posters can barely muster the effort to give a wet leaping shit about you. And after your persistent, fetid farting on the SRIotD thread, it seems likely that half those posters either have you on Ignore or habitually skim over or past your posts. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/31 "2015-04-04T00:48:35Z")
Are there _small_ giants? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/32 "2015-04-04T00:52:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > THe original Civil Rights Act infringed on freedom of association. You lose me here. The principle is that if you’re in business to serve the public you must serve all the public. Refusing to serve part of the public is not freedom of association. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/33 "2015-04-04T00:56:26Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Are there _small_ giants? Yes and **adaher** is the World’s Smallest Giant. Of course, he’s also the World’s Biggest Midget. Internet points to those who get it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/34 "2015-04-04T01:02:08Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Are there _small_ giants? [http://haikyuu.wikia.com/wiki/Small\_Giant](http://haikyuu.wikia.com/wiki/Small_Giant) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/35 "2015-04-04T01:12:29Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > THe original Civil Rights Act infringed on freedom of association. You still haven’t made a convincing case for this statement. Your claim takes it for granted that the principle of freedom of association should apply equally to people’s private lives and to public/commercial transactions or community activities. But I’m not sure I buy it. I’m all about the inalienable right to freedom of association in one’s **personal** life: e.g., if you don’t want to invite people of other races or orientations to your home for your private parties, or if you don’t want to join a club that allows them in, then the government shouldn’t try to make you. But when it comes to public commercial establishments or paid services or community institutions like schools or government institutions, I don’t think individuals are entitled to expect the same individual associational rights that they have in their private lives. And yeah, when people are insisting that their right to freedom of association ought to be considered paramount in every aspect of life, and that antidiscrimination laws are intolerable except for a few grudging exceptions where, like, an entire 15% of the population is turned into second-class citizens by racial segregation, I’m not surprised to find out that those people are racists. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/36 "2015-04-04T01:13:04Z")
**adaher** ’s as much a racist as **Starving Artist** is a pedophile. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/37 "2015-04-04T01:15:45Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > **adaher** ’s as much a racist as **Starving Artist** is a pedophile. As in, incorrigible apologist for but not personally devotee of? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/38 "2015-04-04T01:27:02Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Are there _small_ giants? [Adam Rainer, the giant dwarf.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Rainer) ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/39 "2015-04-04T01:31:41Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > As in, incorrigible apologist for but not personally devotee of? As in, guided mainly by self-investment in being correct. **Starving Artist** supported Joe Paterno, so he went all-in on that, and we know where that led. **adaher** is… well, he’s on about whatever the fuck he’s on about now - trying to follow his logical thinking process is like eating Jell-O with chopsticks - but he’s just trying to be right. _Go team!_ and all. Neither is a bad guy, I think, but when you’ve sabotaged your critical thinking skills like that, well, it can lead to some weird and twisted places. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/40 "2015-04-04T02:33:39Z")
For what it’s worth, adaher, _I_ don’t believe you’re a racist. I think you’re a sociopath. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740.md?page=3)