# Adaher is a Big Giant RACIST **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 3, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740 "2015-04-03T19:48:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/101 "2015-04-04T14:45:46Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > On the specific issue of climate change, **adaher** has a stance I wish more progressives would adopt: > > Even the Board’s “smartest” right-wingers don’t grasp that much. **Chief Pedant** would just rave, for the 999th time, that he likes to fly his private jet, and U.S. shouldn’t do anything all the other countries don’t do first. Hyperlibertarians like **Sam Stone** oppose any use taxes as “interference with free market.” Partisans like **Bricker** would just laugh: "Ha ha ha. my side is ruining the Earth. You lose!’ But this is missing the point I made, I already acknowledged that **adaher** has that stance, the problem is that it is then a useless platitude because virtually all the ones that he supports in congress oppose even that tax. And then **adaher** continues to support the ones that enable that state of affairs. While at the same time also telling us that he is more in the camp of the deniers by using the same straw men that deniers do. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18182289&postcount=422](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18182289&postcount=422) So he may approve of a neutral tax but no one he supports in congress will come to that idea and they only continue to stop the efforts that the EPA is doing regarding our emissions. He may be friends with minorities and immigrants, but he will continue to support the ones that want to make their lives miserable. He may approve of the rights of gays but he will ignore the evidence that shows how many republicans are passing the restrictive laws because of bigotry. He will continue to support the ones that will do harm… but we should be happy that he will have nice thoughts for the ones that will suffer as a result. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/102 "2015-04-04T15:34:46Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Are there _small_ giants? I attended [Wabash College](http://www.wabash.edu/). Our team name was (and is) the Little Giants. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/103 "2015-04-04T15:43:11Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > THe original Civil Rights Act infringed on freedom of association. That’s the racist part. You say “infringed.” That word means “improperly limited or violated.” It’s a negative word. Saying that you think that the original Civil Rights Act limited something improperly means you support undoing what it limited. And what it limited, among other things, is discrimination against race. If you did not intend to communicate this, you should not have used the word “infringed.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/104 "2015-04-04T16:18:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Should a minister have to officiate at a gay wedding if asked? Wait a minute! Christians follow the law just like everyone else. Render unto Caesar and all that. You can’t pick and choose what laws of your country you like and claim cover under a religious exemption if you are a Christian. Jesus was pretty clear on that. And therefore only Christians who recognize gay marriage in states that allow gay marriage are sympatico with Jesus on that issue. The Presbyterians (at least the liberal ones) have now officially recognized gay marriage. Therefore, among Christians, only Presbyterians are true Christians, Americans and Scotsmen! The rest are just poseurs. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/105 "2015-04-04T16:42:18Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That’s the racist part. You say “infringed.” … Saying that you think that the original Civil Rights Act limited something improperly means you support undoing what it limited. And what it limited, among other things, is discrimination against race. Right-wingers and Libertarians aren’t necessarily racist. They just want other right-wingers to have the [FREEDOM(\*)](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ-QfMv7Fzw&t=0m47s) to be racist. And keep the filthy guvmint hands off our racism (and Medicare). ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/106 "2015-04-04T17:00:49Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That’s the racist part. You say “infringed.” That word means “improperly limited or violated.” It’s a negative word. Saying that you think that the original Civil Rights Act limited something improperly means you support undoing what it limited. And what it limited, among other things, is discrimination against race. > > If you did not intend to communicate this, you should not have used the word “infringed.” It’s kind of like saying laws against assault infringe on your right to beat up your spouse. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/107 "2015-04-04T17:59:18Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > It’s kind of like saying laws against assault infringe on your right to beat up your spouse. You are an idiot. The idea that the posts in your OP are racists, and that even if they were they would make that poster not just "a racist, but a BIG GIANT racist is exactly what dilutes the meaning of the word “racist”. If he’s a BIG GIANT racist, what is The KKK’s Imperial Wizard? An even GIANTER RACIST? :rolleyes: Question: Are you in favor of allowing people to use the word “nigger” without being prosecuted for it? IOW, supposing CA passes a law making it illegal to use the word “nigger” in public, and the ACLU defended a local KKK member who was being prosecuted for calling a black woman a “nigger” in public. Does that make the ACLU racist? Extra Points: if so, how BIG and GIANT of a racist would it be? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/108 "2015-04-04T18:15:50Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You are an idiot. The idea that the posts in your OP are racists, and that even if they were they would make that poster not just "a racist, but a BIG GIANT racist is exactly what dilutes the meaning of the word “racist”. If he’s a BIG GIANT racist, what is > The KKK’s Imperial Wizard? An even GIANTER RACIST? :rolleyes: Actually, overtly hostile racism is not worse that sly, equivocating racism. In fact, I believe it can be worse, because of the institutionalization thing. There are no degrees, **adaher** is a big giant racist because he wants us to think he is not one. > [@](#): > > Question: Are you in favor of allowing people to use the word “nigger” without being prosecuted for it? IOW, supposing CA passes a law making it illegal to use the word “nigger” in public, and the ACLU defended a local KKK member who was being prosecuted for calling a black woman a “nigger” in public. Does that make the ACLU racist? Extra Points: if so, how BIG and GIANT of a racist would it be? And, I guess you must be one of those brainless RW glibertarians who simply cannot even understand what racism is. And here I had thought better of you, silly me. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/109 "2015-04-04T20:20:21Z")
Well, I’m not as sanguine as \*\*eschereal \*\*in that estimation, and I did not want to mention it, but as a reply to the comment from **John Mace** it is true that I do not see \*\*adaher \*\*as racist, but I see him as an enabler. However I was also dissapointed when in a recent thread on the humanitarian crisis at the border nativist and racist groups pressed the Republicans to act by adding very extreme changes to the immigration bill. The fact that hate groups lied about that humanitarian crisis to get their way and that republicans \*\*listened \*\*to those groups was not deemed to be an important item by posters like **John Mace**. ---
**Author:** ![Rained](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5e9695/32.png) [@Rained](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rained)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/110 "2015-04-04T20:31:38Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, I’m not as sanguine as \*\*eschereal \*\*in that estimation, and I did not want to mention it, but as a reply to the comment from **John Mace** it is true that I do not see \*\*adaher \*\*as racist, but I see him as an enabler. However I was also dissapointed when in a recent thread on the humanitarian crisis at the border nativist and racist groups pressed the Republicans to act by adding very extreme changes to the immigration bill. > > The fact that hate groups lied about that humanitarian crisis to get their way and that republicans \*\*listened \*\*to those groups was not deemed to be an important item by posters like **John Mace**. The biggest hate groups in this country are the NAACP and the ACLU. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/111 "2015-04-04T20:36:02Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That’s the racist part. You say “infringed.” That word means “improperly limited or violated.” It’s a negative word. Saying that you think that the original Civil Rights Act limited something improperly means you support undoing what it limited. And what it limited, among other things, is discrimination against race. > > If you did not intend to communicate this, you should not have used the word “infringed.” Not all definitions of “infringe” use the qualifier “improperly.” It is undeniable that the CRA limited the previous freedom that businesses had to refuse to associate with protected classes. We can acknowledge that limitation on freedom and still say that it was a necessary limitation without being racist. We can believe that these businesses are wrong but still support their unfettered freedom of association without being racist. It simply doesn’t follow that agreeing that something should be legal means that we support it. Doesn’t your side use this argument all of the time in the abortion context? I hear it frequently: “I am personally opposed to abortion, however I believe that a woman should have the freedom to choose for herself whether to have one.” This is the same argument but with the value judgments for each term used differently. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/112 "2015-04-04T20:38:12Z")
> [@Rained](#): > > The biggest hate groups in this country are the NAACP and the ACLU. go back home to stormfront ---
**Author:** ![Rained](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5e9695/32.png) [@Rained](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rained)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/113 "2015-04-04T20:39:49Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > go back home to stormfront Care to elaborate? Funny you brought that up though. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/114 "2015-04-04T20:44:07Z")
Your post was stormfront-caliber stupidity (AAUI, never spent any time there). ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/115 "2015-04-04T20:50:05Z")
> [@Rained](#): > > The biggest hate groups in this country are the NAACP and the ACLU. See? Breathrakingly stupid assholes abound on the Interwebbies, even here at SDMB. Why do you guys pit **adaher**? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/116 "2015-04-04T21:03:03Z")
> [@Rained](#): > > Care to elaborate? Funny you brought that up though. How is it funny that stormfront was brought up? Never mind, just enjoy your time here, every precious second of it. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/117 "2015-04-04T21:04:07Z")
> [@Rained](#): > > Care to elaborate? Funny you brought that up though. I think I am unanimous in this when I say my breath is utterly bated right now! ---
**Author:** ![Rained](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5e9695/32.png) [@Rained](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rained)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/118 "2015-04-04T21:07:50Z")
How am I getting ridiculed when some other bozo brings up a white nationalist site which I have no part of and I’m definetly not a member of. But keep calling names children and live in your clouds. Good sheep. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/119 "2015-04-04T21:11:50Z")
IOW, “I’m not a racist, but …” 😉 We’ve seen people exactly as smart as you many times before here. Every time there’s a posting at stormfront about where to go to troll the libtards. The dinosaur sex thing was more original than most, give you credit for that, but it’s still an internet invention. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740/120 "2015-04-04T21:12:41Z")
> [@Rained](#): > > But keep calling names children and live in your clouds. Good sheep. So that’s why sheep look like that. Camouflage for their environment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-is-a-big-giant-racist/716740.md?page=7)