# adaher, you cowardly shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 17, 2015, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798 "2015-11-17T13:39:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/261 "2015-11-19T04:58:33Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That’s fantastic, now we don’t need to take in the 10,000. Indeed it was not needed at all to say that the German and French actions in the wake of the Paris attacks are **not** cowardly. It was indeed a very stupid request from you. And once again: since you are not taking back your straw men, you are also then a going to the level of becoming a certified stinky liar too. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/262 "2015-11-19T05:00:40Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > You are indeed telling us that you will be happy for that outcome. Sorry, you are lying to yourself too. The Republican candidates that are the front runners will divide America even more,\*\* and you will help on that effort\*\*. Regardless if you acknowledged several times in the past that what the Republicans are doing is stupid. No, what I’ll be happy to see is Democrats get punished for their lack of self awareness and moral scolding. Assuming they don’t just go full coward while you carry water for them. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/263 "2015-11-19T05:09:30Z")
Anyway, here’s a pretty good summary of the actual anti-refugee point of view if anyone cares. But if you want to stick t the moral preening, that works too: [http://www.nationalreview.com/syrian-refugees-arent-1939s-jews?bjBh5LpEs2W2Hqxy.01](http://www.nationalreview.com/syrian-refugees-arent-1939s-jews?bjBh5LpEs2W2Hqxy.01) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/264 "2015-11-19T05:14:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No, what I’ll be happy to see is Democrats get punished for their lack of self awareness and moral scolding. Assuming they don’t just go full coward while you carry water for them. :rolleyes: As you are only a liar and a coward, one should not mind you, but for everyone else I only have to note here that you are wishing only evil on others. To demand that only punishment will come for doing the right thing is just what prohibitionists claimed when the Democrats wanted to end prohibition. BTW The Republicans did win early with fear indeed, making everyone fear Al Smith and the anti-prohibitionists. Al Smith was defeated by Hoover, but Al Smith did not have to wait a lot to see the Republicans become a minority party for decades thanks to many stupid ideas and demands to be scared of liquor or immigrants (and science and health care among many other thongs) Anheuser Bush, himself demonized during WWI for his German ancestry, gave a case of beer to Al Smith after Roosevelt trounced the Republicans and Prohibition ended. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/265 "2015-11-19T05:19:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Anyway, here’s a pretty good summary of the actual anti-refugee point of view… The “anti-refugee point of view”? That needs work, like “anti abortion” gets to be “pro-life”, or “religious freedom” for being a rude snot. Too crude, like nude shots of Ernest Borgnine. Needs a negligee, a gauzy wisp draped over. Something something Liberty, you know the drill. And, of course, the _National Review_. I’m gonna take a wild guess here, and guess they tired to shoe horn national sovereignty into it… ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/266 "2015-11-19T05:20:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No, what I’ll be happy to see is Democrats get punished for their lack of self awareness and moral scolding. Assuming they don’t just go full coward while you carry water for them. You actually _hope_ for a terrorist attack in the US so you can blame it on Obama and the Democratic Party, dontcha? It’s just us here, you can be honest. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/267 "2015-11-19T05:21:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The “anti-refugee point of view”? That needs work, like “anti abortion” gets to be “pro-life”, or “religious freedom” for being a rude snot. Too crude, like nude shots of Ernest Borgnine. Needs a negligee, a gauzy wisp draped over. Something something Liberty, you know the drill. I’ve never liked euphemisms. I’ll leave the branding to the professionals. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/268 "2015-11-19T05:22:59Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You actually _hope_ for a terrorist attack in the US so you can blame it on Obama and the Democratic Party, dontcha? It’s just us here, you can be honest. No, I hope for what I said: that Democrats get punished by Americans for morally scolding the voters. ALthough I suspect that except for Obama, who doesn’t have to stand for reelection, most Democrats will turn full coward once they fully absorb just how badly this issue goes against them. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/269 "2015-11-19T05:24:50Z")
**adaher** , [read this](http://www.alternet.org/immigration/745000-refugees-admitted-post-911-only-two-were-charged-terrorism-related-crimes) and then keep telling us about the great danger we’re in. > [@](#): > > According to a review of the Migration Policy Institute, of the 745,000 refugees resettled in the U.S. since 9/11, two men have been charged with terrorism-related crimes (providing funds for a terrorist organization in another country, not the United States). Additionally, the Tsarnaev brothers, whose parents were refugees from Chechnya, committed the Boston bombings, though there is no evidence that they were radicalized overseas; their turn to terror was the result of a domestic radicalization process. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/270 "2015-11-19T05:31:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No, I hope for what I said: that Democrats get punished by Americans for morally scolding the voters. ALthough I suspect that except for Obama, who doesn’t have to stand for reelection, most Democrats will turn full coward once they fully absorb just how badly this issue goes against them. Not what I see, and once again the universe goes against your say so’s just to spite you. > **[Governors Who Want To Ban Syrian Refugees Have Something In Common](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/governors-who-want-to-ban-syrian-refugees-have-something-in-common/)** > > UPDATE (Nov. 17, 6:15 p.m.): The table and the analysis in this article have been updated to reflect a statement by Muriel Bowser, mayor of Washington, D.C. UPD… > [@](#): > > That means most governors have weighed in, even though they can’t block refugees from entering the United States (though they could complicate settlement within their states’ borders). > > There is one stark, obvious difference between these two groups of states: the party that controls the statehouse. Just one of the 30 governors who oppose taking in more refugees is a Democrat: Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire. All 12 who said their states will continue welcoming refugees are Democrats, as is Muriel Bowser, the mayor of Washington, D.C.1 It has to be said too, you are only using a fig leaf, own your bigotry and fear adaher. I was not born yesterday and liars like you always want to hide behind the idea that they are carrying water for bigots and cowards just because some mean Democrat scolded them. Not falling for that one. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/271 "2015-11-19T05:32:55Z")
> [@](#): > > According to a review of the Migration Policy Institute, of the 745,000 refugees resettled in the U.S. since 9/11, two men have been charged with terrorism-related crimes (providing funds for a terrorist organization in another country, not the United States). Additionally, the Tsarnaev brothers, whose parents were refugees from Chechnya, committed the Boston bombings, though there is no evidence that they were radicalized overseas; their turn to terror was the result of a domestic radicalization process. Well, there’s at least one thing we haven’t outsourced. Sorry, I’ll let myself out. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/272 "2015-11-19T05:33:15Z")
The article starts off with a deception( that governors can’t impede refugee resettement) and continues with a bigger deception, counting Cuban refugees and Haitian refugees and Nicaraguan refugees. By contrast, this is a group that contains significant numbers of people who already support ISIS: [http://english.dohainstitute.org/content/6a355a64-5237-4d7a-b957-87f6b1ceba9b](http://english.dohainstitute.org/content/6a355a64-5237-4d7a-b957-87f6b1ceba9b) And ISIS people have been caught trying to infiltrate as refugees in Turkey and Honduras. > **[Pictured: The Syrian men arrested in Honduras who were coming to U.S.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3324299/Five-Syrian-men-attempting-travel-U-S-using-fake-passports-detained-Honduras-police-say.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)** > > Five Syrian men believed to be making their way to America have been arrested after landing at Toncontín International Airport in the Honduran capital of Tegucigalpa. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/273 "2015-11-19T05:36:25Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The article starts off with a deception( that governors can’t impede refugee resettement) and continues with a bigger deception, counting Cuban refugees and Haitian refugees and Nicaraguan refugees. > > By contrast, this is a group that contains significant numbers of people who already support ISIS: > > [http://english.dohainstitute.org/content/6a355a64-5237-4d7a-b957-87f6b1ceba9b](http://english.dohainstitute.org/content/6a355a64-5237-4d7a-b957-87f6b1ceba9b) > > And ISIS people have been caught trying to infiltrate as refugees in Turkey and Honduras. > > [Syrian men detained in Honduras while travelling to US with fake passports | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3324299/Five-Syrian-men-attempting-travel-U-S-using-fake-passports-detained-Honduras-police-say.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490) Denying that this group is fleeing Syria because they do not want to support what ISIS does and they were also targets of ISIS is not helping remove your lying and coward efforts. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/274 "2015-11-19T05:40:55Z")
The refugees are fleeing the war, not ISIS specifically. Many will be Assad loyalists, many ISIS loyalists, many non-political, and perhaps maybe three of them support the crack six-person militia we’ve funded. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/275 "2015-11-19T05:43:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The article starts off with a deception( that governors can’t impede refugee resettement) and continues with a bigger deception, counting Cuban refugees and Haitian refugees and Nicaraguan refugees. Explain how the governors can legally block refugees. Cite for the Cuban, etc? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/276 "2015-11-19T05:44:54Z")
The word used in the article is “impede”. No, they cannot block refugees, but they are not lawfully required to help settle them. The federal government does not have the resources to settle very many refugees on its own, so a refusal to help is a fairly serious impediment to refugee resettlement. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/277 "2015-11-19T05:45:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The refugees are fleeing the war, not ISIS specifically. Many will be Assad loyalists, many ISIS loyalists, many non-political, and perhaps maybe three of them support the crack six-person militia we’ve funded. This point of yours is also a dumb point. As we are for all practical reasons in bed with Assad now, via Russia, (I remember a classic old cartoon of Stalin falling over the bed of the allies in WWII) We are doing now what I saw as it was needed in the past, we will have to become allies of very unsavory guys when we have bigger fish to fry, later we can contain and take care of Dictators. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/278 "2015-11-19T05:46:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Ah, so he won’t blame it on staff, say he only found out when he read it in the newspaper, and SDMB liberals will not say, “What, was he supposed to vet each refugee himself?” > > Good to know. Just like all the Republicans who have admitted how wrong they were about Ebola. Oh, wait… ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/279 "2015-11-19T06:07:10Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And ISIS people have been caught trying to infiltrate as refugees in Turkey and Honduras. > > [Syrian men detained in Honduras while travelling to US with fake passports | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3324299/Five-Syrian-men-attempting-travel-U-S-using-fake-passports-detained-Honduras-police-say.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490) Nothing was said about ISIS in the article, only that hey were Syrian. And I still want a cite on the Cuban and other refugees. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/280 "2015-11-19T06:18:30Z")
Why don’t you cite that the article says 750,000 Muslim refugees? It doesn’t. They were referring to the entire refugee population. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798.md?page=15)