# adaher, you cowardly shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 17, 2015, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798 "2015-11-17T13:39:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/301 "2015-11-19T08:13:36Z")
Wow, so you do believe there’s no Al Qaeda here. Amazing. [http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/23/gen.terror.graham/index.html?\_s=PM:US](http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/23/gen.terror.graham/index.html?_s=PM:US) > [@](#): > > Al-Qaeda has autonomous underground cells in some 100 countries, including the United States, officials say. Law enforcement has broken up al-Qaeda cells in the United Kingdom, the United States, Italy, France, Spain, Germany, Albania, Uganda, and elsewhere. [http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations-and-networks/al-qaeda-k-al-qaida-al-qaida/p9126](http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations-and-networks/al-qaeda-k-al-qaida-al-qaida/p9126) Your other comments cement your status as a dolt. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/302 "2015-11-19T08:18:44Z")
And right on schedule, the Democrats are starting to chicken out. Hat tip to DerekMichaels: > **[Syrian refugees split Democratic Party](https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/syrian-refugees-democrats-paris-216032)** > > Desire for restrictions on refugees has caused blowback from some on the left. So much for the moral high ground. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/303 "2015-11-19T08:23:29Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Wow, so you do believe there’s no Al Qaeda here. Amazing. > > \*\*[http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/23/gen.terror.graham/index.html?\_s=PM:US](http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/23/gen.terror.graham/index.html?_s=PM:US) > \*\* > [http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations-and-networks/al-qaeda-k-al-qaida-al-qaida/p9126](http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations-and-networks/al-qaeda-k-al-qaida-al-qaida/p9126) > > Your other comments cement your status as a dolt. Got anything more recent than 2002? Or a list of all the attacks on U.S.soil since then? i just find it hard to believe that there’s any threat if they haven’t found a time to strike after all these years. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/304 "2015-11-19T08:29:51Z")
We haven’t had a bigtime ISIS attack either, but ISIS terror cells have been found here: > **[Terror Suspect Arrested In NJ; NYPD On High Alert For July 4 Fireworks](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/terrorism-arrest-concerns/)** > > The arrest comes at the same time that the NYPD is on high alert, concerned about a possible ISIS-inspired terror attack in the United States this holiday weekend. These guys were going to kill teh President, which is probably the one thing that would make liberals demand the use of ground troops: > **[ISIS: 3 New York Men Arrested in Alleged Plot to Join Terror Group, Feds Say](https://abcnews.go.com/US/WorldNews/isis-arrested-plot-join-terror-group/story?id=29222291)** ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/305 "2015-11-19T08:36:30Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > We haven’t had a bigtime ISIS attack either, but ISIS terror cells have been found here: > > [Terror Suspect Arrested In NJ; NYPD On High Alert For July 4 Fireworks - CBS New York](http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/06/29/terrorism-arrest-concerns/) > > These guys were going to kill teh President, which is probably the one thing that would make liberals demand the use of ground troops: > > [ISIS: 3 New York Men Arrested in Alleged Plot to Join Terror Group, Feds Say - ABC News](http://abcnews.go.com/US/WorldNews/isis-arrested-plot-join-terror-group/story?id=29222291) He was planning to travel to join ISIS. He was not planing anything here. > [@](#): > > According to a criminal complaint, Saadeh, in a recorded conversation, revealed his support for the terror group “including its use of beheadings and mass killings to impose its violent agenda.” > > Saadeh allegedly said he was ready to join the fight, and “pick up my life and go to Jordan, or go overseas and go live over there.” Also, he was not a refugee [but a U.S. citizen.](http://www.counterextremism.com/extremists/alaa-saadeh) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/306 "2015-11-19T08:42:30Z")
I wasn’t trying to make an argument that he was a refugee, only that cells do exist here and do things other than just go on the attack immediately. Cells recruit, they raise money, they plan, they arm, and when they feel ready, they make their move. Just responding to your unique argument that absence of attacks means absence of terror cells. We have always imported the trouble with various cultures along with the things in those cultures that enriched us. Cultures prone to organized crime brought organized crime with them, and cultures prone to militant behavior bring that with them as well. the argument for keeping out the Syrian refugees is that due to the extreme awfulness of that regime and its brainwashing of its citizens, they present a unique risk. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/307 "2015-11-19T08:48:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I wasn’t trying to make an argument that he was a refugee, only that cells do exist here and do things other than just go on the attack immediately. Cells recruit, they raise money, they plan, they arm, and when they feel ready, they make their move. Just responding to your unique argument that absence of attacks means absence of terror cells. He wasn’t a cell. He wasn’t even planning to stay in the country. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/308 "2015-11-19T08:48:54Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So all the war years, they did nothing. Even after we killed Bin Laden, they laid low, waiting for the \*right \*time to strike. > > Do you ever leave the house or just cower in the corner? Even right now, which would be an absolutely perfect time to attack and yet all these cells do nothing in this country. Who knew that terrorists would be such good house guests? But refugees, they are apparently a special breed and they’d be the break that the terrorists are waiting for apparently. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/309 "2015-11-19T08:51:44Z")
Okay, so I get it, no terrorists in the US according to liberal Dopers. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/310 "2015-11-19T10:17:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Like I said, I see the points of those who disagree with me. I’m just not so sure how playing the moral superiority card accomplishes anything. I’m not surprised - it’s a position you’ve never occupied. > [@adaher](#): > > Ah, so he won’t blame it on staff, say he only found out when he read it in the newspaper, and SDMB liberals will not say, “What, was he supposed to vet each refugee himself?” > > Good to know. “But…but…Obama!!” > [@adaher](#): > > Which means that cowardly actions are any actions liberals disagree with for ideological reasons. Nice bit of projection here, considering… > [@adaher](#): > > Good luck with that message in the coming election. Good to know you’re okay with fearmongering and lies as long as it works out for your side. > [@adaher](#): > > Okay, so I get it, no terrorists in the US according to liberal Dopers. Yes, that’s exactly what liberal Dopers have said, oh wait, no. That isn’t even what **DP** said, but your attempt to take a misrepresented position and apply it to a whole category of people is noted. So thus far we’ve established that you’re morally bankrupt, intellectually dishonest, spectacularly hypocritical, and the only straws you have to grasp at are either that enough Americans have swallowed the lies you and your fellow travellers spew to give you some cover in the short term or that an actual terrorist attack will kill a large number of Americans so that you can use their deaths for political purposes. It must be wonderful being you. > [@andros](#): > > The entirety of my internal narrative sounds like Adam West. If I win big on the lottery, I’m going to pay Adam West to follow me around and narrate my life. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/311 "2015-11-19T11:41:01Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Okay, so I get it, no terrorists in the US according to liberal Dopers. I’ve forgotten how dumb you are. We’ve had a ton of terrorists in the US. Dylan Roof. James Holmes. Christopher Harper-Mercer. Adam Lanza. The list could go on and on. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/312 "2015-11-19T12:55:10Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The public overwhelmingly backs my position, so if someone wants to change this thread title to “Americans are cowardly shits” it might be appropriate at this point: > > [Poll: A Majority of Americans Oppose Accepting Syrian Refugees](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/poll-majority-americans-oppose-accepting-syrian-refugees-n465816) That says that Americans are, by a moderate majority of 56% (not “overwhelming”), opposed to _increasing_ the number of refugees received. Is your position that the current number refugees we are receiving and planning to receive is the right number? If not, then this poll doesn’t support your position. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/313 "2015-11-19T13:02:51Z")
Still waiting, **adaher** , for you to back-up the world-class-short-term-thinking statement that nuking Syria wouldn’t harm the United States (except “morally”). Do you really believe that there wouldn’t be an international backlash? That having murdered millions, there wouldn’t be impacts on trade, and treaties? That no one in the US military would mutiny, or refuse to follow orders, after orders to murder millions of innocent men, women, and children? That there wouldn’t be war crimes trials? That there wouldn’t be a myriad of other impacts due to committing a monstrous crime – one of the worst in human history (and orders of magnitude worse than 9/11)? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/314 "2015-11-19T13:07:02Z")
What is the US’ nuclear policy? Have we disavowed a first strike? Nope. It never ceases to amaze me how often liberals portray current policy and law as immoral, and it’s just so obvious that none of the Ivy League graduates in DC managed to get around to changing these clearly immoral, indefensible policies! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/315 "2015-11-19T13:16:03Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > What is the US’ nuclear policy? Have we disavowed a first strike? Nope. It never ceases to amaze me how often liberals portray current policy and law as immoral, and it’s just so obvious that none of the Ivy League graduates in DC managed to get around to changing these clearly immoral, indefensible policies! What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with the ramifications of the US nuking Syria. The main reason we haven’t nuked countries willy-nilly is not because it would be “morally wrong”, but because it would harm us massively. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/316 "2015-11-19T13:26:59Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Okay, so I get it, no terrorists in the US according to liberal Dopers. Wrong again. There are thousands of terrorists in this country. They all belong to the NRA. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/317 "2015-11-19T13:43:15Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > So much for the moral high ground. You don’t even know what that means, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/318 "2015-11-19T13:46:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And right on schedule, the Democrats are starting to chicken out. Hat tip to DerekMichaels: “You see? You see? These guys are just as chickenshit as I am!” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/319 "2015-11-19T13:47:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, you know, one man’s Persian… It’s “One man’s Mede is another man’s Persian.” Or, sometimes, “Castrating Persians on one’s integrity.” Glad to help. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798/320 "2015-11-19T13:48:20Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > We’ve had a ton of terrorists in the US. Dylan Roof. James Holmes. Christopher Harper-Mercer. Adam Lanza. The list could go on and on. That doesn’t make sense. How can they be terrorists if they don’t have Those-People names? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adaher-you-cowardly-shit/737798.md?page=17)