# Adam Savage of Mythbusters Accused of Rape and Incest **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 30, 2020, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846 "2020-06-30T20:51:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/101 "2020-07-03T20:12:39Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > We don’t know if the letter exists and if it does exist we don’t know what it says. > [@madsircool](#): > > Not necessarily. Argumentative and unresponsive non-sequitur. The rest of your post is complete speculation, based on zero evidence, and not labeled as such. It is absolutely and unquestionably true that we don’t know if the letter exists. He didn’t say that the letter doesn’t exist, he didn’t say that it does exist, he only said that we don’t know. That much is true. It is also absolutely and unquestionably true that we don’t know what the letter says, if there is a letter. It is this insistence by you that there must be something to this, absent any provided evidence and based only on the sister’s allegation and lawsuit, that makes me believe that you have pre-judged him as probably guilty. There may, in fact, be something to this, or there may not. Nobody knows, and that includes you. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/102 "2020-07-03T20:14:57Z")
Whoa there. > [@madsircool](#): > > If we use the K9bfriender standard of evidence, what can we really accuse Trump of? We havent seen actual evidence yet we believe strongly in his guilt. Again, just because there is a letter doesnt mean he is guilty. Its just another data point. I don’t think this is a valid comparison, and you’re being somewhat disingenuous in this comparison. For Adam Savage, we have fundamentally a statement from his sister (who would have direct knowledge if it happened), Adam (who would have had direct knowledge if it happened), and his Mother (who has knowledge of both party’s character but no direct knowledge theoretically). We have a reported but not provided letter that his sister says documents evidence but has not been provided. We are _currently_ at a “he said/she said” stage of affairs and most everyone has been careful to point it out. For Trump, we have ‘transcripts’ (yes I know, not a true transcript), statements from multiple partisan and non-partisan persons with direct knowledge, and pattern of actions and evidence that make it an act of belief, not fact, to excuse him. In fact, pretty much even the Republican Senate admitted that his actions were crimes, were done in bad faith, but did not meet the standards they chose to employ for ‘High Crimes and Misdemeanors’. So lets stick to accurate comparisons and the facts when and if we get them. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/103 "2020-07-03T20:15:15Z")
If…and again I say IF…AS is guilty of these charges then how is his character better than Trumps? What do we really know about the private life of Adam Savage? I hate to be forced into playing devils advocate. But the way so many dismiss as out of hand her charges without any evidence bothers me. The least we can do is keep an open mind and wait to see how this unfolds. We wont know anytime soon. Some of the responses in this thread are why many women will not come forward. Not only isnt she not believed, she is being dismissed. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/104 "2020-07-03T20:17:39Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > You mean as opposed to most of you who are absolutely sure he didnt do it? 😏 > > Ill say it again. I have no idea whether he did it or not but…so far there is no evidence that he did not do it and there is the alleged letter of apology. There is no evidence that he didnt Kill Epstein in the prison cell either. There is no evidence he didnt kill JonBenet Ramsey, … etc etc… There cant possible be any evidence that he didnt do this. It is horrible that this woman can destroy his life and career like this. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/105 "2020-07-03T20:18:38Z")
Question isn’t “what do we really know about AS’s character”. We know nothing. That is why he deserves the presumption of innocence and the benefit of the doubt. Trump, I hope you agree, does not deserve the same kind of consideration. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/106 "2020-07-03T20:19:41Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > So that means that the woman is lying. Like all those women for all those years who accused Bill Cosby, Ron Jeremy and Harvey Weinstein? 🤨 **Multiple and recent accusations** are different than a 40 year old accusation made by one sick person. 40 year old memories are worthless. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/107 "2020-07-03T20:22:32Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Her lawyer is likely telling her to not make it public at this time Pure conjecture. You are just making shit up because you have already decided he is guilty… ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/108 "2020-07-03T20:28:20Z")
Yes he deserves the presumption of innocence. But presumption is not actual innocence. I have never once in this thread said he actually did this. What I have said is that we have to take the accusation seriously and hold off taking a position of guilt or innocence until the facts are in. We dont know if there are other accusers just because they havent been made public. We dont know the extint of the mental illness of the accuser because we havent seen her psych evals. But I will not outright dismiss her claims because 1) She is emotionally disturbed nor 2) It happened 40 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/109 "2020-07-03T21:54:58Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > It’s possible that it was either 4th or 5th grade. He is very bright and it’s entirely possible that he was allowed to skip a grade. In other words, you made up a fact, and are defending it because, being ignorant of any details, it could conceivably be true. Did Savage skip a grade? And, originally you said “5th grade”, now you’ve moved your fake fact to “5th or 4th grade” to cover the fact that you were obviously wrong in your initial assertion without having to admit that you made shit up. By the way, a quick glance at [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Savage) indicates that Savage turned 18 the summer of his high school graduation, so he turned 9 the summer before 4th grade. Why did you feel the need to make up a false fact about what grade Savage was in at the age of nine? And, to get off of your made up false fact for a moment, I have to ask: assuming he did sexually assault his sister when he was 9 and ongoing for a number of years, who benefits from killing Adam Savage? Is society safer? Are 9 year old rapists going to think a little harder before they assault their sisters in the future? What, I ask, is the point? > [@madsircool](#): > > Have we learned nothing from #metoo? Again, its not to automatically say Savage is guilty. Its to take the accusations seriously and investigate further. Starting a conversation with calls for extreme punishment (if the person is guilty) is not “taking the accusations seriously and investigate further,” it’s obsessing on the presumed guilt of the accused. #metoo does not say “kill everyone who sexually assaults anyone, especially if the person was a child when they did it!” No one in this thread (maybe I missed it) has said “don’t investigate or take the accusations seriously.” ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/110 "2020-07-03T22:05:19Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Not necessarily. Her lawyer is likely telling her to not make it public at this time. Her case isnt being tried in the court of public opinion. Now that she’s made it public yes, actually it IS in the “court of public opinion”. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/111 "2020-07-03T22:12:52Z")
In this thread I’ve learned nothing about Adam Savage, but a ton about **madsircool**. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/112 "2020-07-03T23:03:18Z")
What a hot mess this post is. > [@madsircool](#): > > Yes he deserves the presumption of innocence. But presumption is not actual innocence. Do you even know what these words mean? “Presumption of innocence” means we withhold judgment until evidence is presented, but that he gets treated as if he is innocent until evidence proves otherwise. It does not mean anyone is saying he definitely is innocent, full stop. > [@madsircool](#): > > I have never once in this thread said he actually did this. And yet you can’t stop hammering away at all the remotely possible (but as yet unknown) scenarios that would mean he is probably guilty. > [@madsircool](#): > > What I have said is that we have to take the accusation seriously and hold off taking a position of guilt or innocence until the facts are in. No-one, literally no-one (except, arguably, you) is questioning this principle. > [@madsircool](#): > > We dont know if there are other accusers just because they havent been made public. We dont know the extint of the mental illness of the accuser because we havent seen her psych evals. We don’t know if she has been infected by alien parasites. We don’t know if she even has psychiatric evaluations, and they probably wouldn’t be required for a civil trial anyway. In any case, what makes you think any of us would be allowed to invade her privacy in that way? > [@madsircool](#): > > But I will not outright dismiss her claims because 1) She is emotionally disturbed nor 2) It happened 40 years ago. Again, literally no-one is saying that her clams should be dismissed for any reason. You seem to be reading between lines that aren’t even there. You’re making up stuff so you can feel outraged, and justify your over-the-top OP. You are arguing with no-one except yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/113 "2020-07-03T23:21:28Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > You seem to be reading between lines that aren’t even there. You’re making up stuff so you can feel outraged, and justify your over-the-top OP. You are arguing with no-one except yourself. 👏 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/114 "2020-07-04T14:21:22Z")
[Moderating] This thread has ceased to be about Adam Savage, and is now mostly about madsircool. This is not the place for that. This thread is closed; if you wish to continue, take it to the BBQ Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-savage-of-mythbusters-accused-of-rape-and-incest/913846/115 "2020-07-04T14:21:39Z")
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