# Adam Schiff a known liar should be removed as the head of the Intelligence Committee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 12, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753 "2019-12-12T14:09:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/261 "2019-12-18T17:32:10Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > I agree that there is a discussion to be had, just have it around the trolling bullshitters, not with them. “Adam Schiff is a liar” and ‘Carter Page is an innocent Saint’ are two popular lies, among many, being pushed by various right wing trolls. They also happen to be OPs. I’m not sure how it’s possible to have that conversation “around” the trolling bullshitter who posted them without responding to him, in context, by taking on the lie upon lie in a methodical and direct fashion. I get what you’re saying. Some of the statements made by **EasyPhil** are so obviously dishonest that they beggar reality. But it’s important to continue to rhetorically throw them in his face to ensure he does not feel emboldened in continuing to repeat them without challenge. At no time must he have the confidence to repeat, his Trumpian lie, “Hoax!”, without the expectation that he will be met with resistance and earned ridicule. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/262 "2019-12-18T18:08:32Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > “Adam Schiff is a liar” and ‘Carter Page is an innocent Saint’ are two popular lies, among many, being pushed by various right wing trolls. They also happen to be OPs. I’m not sure how it’s possible to have that conversation “around” the trolling bullshitter who posted them without responding to him, in context, by taking on the lie upon lie in a methodical and direct fashion. > > I get what you’re saying. Some of the statements made by **EasyPhil** are so obviously dishonest that they beggar reality. But it’s important to continue to rhetorically throw them in his face to ensure he does not feel emboldened in continuing to repeat them without challenge. _At no time must he have the confidence to repeat, his Trumpian lie, “Hoax!”, without the expectation that he will be met with resistance and earned ridicule._ Emphasis added. IMO, that’s all the OP and the rest of the similar scum-sucking ilk want. It doesn’t stop them; it emboldens them. Obviously, we want to approach it differently. I’d rather have the facts laid out, while ignoring the impetus for laying out the facts. Asshole posts “Carter Page is an innocent saint”. Responders post “here is why Carter Page is not an innocent saint” while not mentioning asshole. It’s not that I don’t like trainwrecks. I started reading this thread for the entertainment value, and mixed in with the entertainment were salient facts that anyone who wants to know the truth can glean. That’s a good thing. But now there are two multiple page threads on this, and both of them are just asshole tweaking other posters again and again into responding and sitting in his/her proverbial (or maybe literal) basement fapping to the responses. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/263 "2019-12-18T19:04:41Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > We don’t have to pretend to like you or respect you or feel the need to coddle you, we just have to put up with you. No we don’t. I’ve added that fool to my list of “people” who can fuck off. Tolerance my ass. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/264 "2019-12-18T19:09:36Z")
Society in general, I meant. I’d be very upset if anyone were to argue that **Annoyed** should be jailed for his ignorance or cowardice. Personally I’m with you; he can get himself to fuck. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/265 "2019-12-18T20:41:44Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > “Adam Schiff is a liar” and ‘Carter Page is an innocent Saint’ are two popular lies, among many, being pushed by various right wing trolls. They also happen to be OPs. I’m not sure how it’s possible to have that conversation “around” the trolling bullshitter who posted them without responding to him, in context, by taking on the lie upon lie in a methodical and direct fashion. > > I get what you’re saying. Some of the statements made by **EasyPhil** are so obviously dishonest that they beggar reality. But it’s important to continue to rhetorically throw them in his face to ensure he does not feel emboldened in continuing to repeat them without challenge. At no time must he have the confidence to repeat, his Trumpian lie, “Hoax!”, without the expectation that he will be met with resistance and earned ridicule. Stop with the straw man bullshit. Whether Carter Page was a saint or not is irrelevant. The FISA process was abused so much that one of the judges on the FISC made a public statement about it. Every American should be worried about secret courts that can be gamed by the FBI. Secret fucking courts that used lies and omissions to obtain a warrant to spy on a Presidential campaign. It doesn’t get any worse than that, oh wait. it does when the media is used as a propaganda tool to sell the narative. Schiff is a liar, that’s pretty clear and if you can’t see that, too fucking bad for you, it’s not like the information is out there and I’ve already linked to it at the top of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/266 "2019-12-18T20:54:52Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Secret fucking courts that used lies and omissions to obtain a warrant to spy on a Presidential campaign. At no point in time was Carter Page both under FISC granted surveillance and affiliated with a presidential campaign. Dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/267 "2019-12-18T20:58:20Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > At no point in time was Carter Page both under FISC granted surveillance and affiliated with a presidential campaign. Dumbass. A FISA warrant allows you to spy retroactively and you can use two hops meaning Carter Page, any one that Carter Page communicated with and anyone that communicated with anyone that communicated with Carter Page. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/268 "2019-12-18T21:10:08Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > A FISA warrant allows you to spy retroactively and you can use two hops meaning Carter Page, any one that Carter Page communicated with and anyone that communicated with anyone that communicated with Carter Page. A FISA warrant may allow you to spy retroactively, but the arrow of time does not. Here’s an article from the month before the FBI requested a FISA warrant on Page: [Trump camp backs away from adviser suspected of Kremlin ties](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/297599-trump-campaign-backs-away-from-adviser-suspected-of-ties-to-kremlin). > [@](#): > > “Mr. Page is not an advisor and has made no contribution to the campaign,” the campaign’s communications director Jason Miller said in an email to The Hill. “I’ve never spoken to him, and wouldn’t recognize him if he were sitting next to me.” > > Presented with a statement from a campaign spokesperson in August that characterized Page as an “informal adviser,” albeit one who “does not speak for Mr. Trump or the campaign,” Miller doubled down. > > “He’s never been a part of our campaign. Period,” he said. The idea that the FBI pursued a FISA warrant a month after that as a means of spying on presidential campaign is bonkers. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/269 "2019-12-18T21:15:25Z")
This thread is like whack-a-mole, except there is only one mole that keeps popping up and quite a few hammers that keep pounding his ass back into the table. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/270 "2019-12-18T21:20:46Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > A FISA warrant may allow you to spy retroactively, but the arrow of time does not. > > Here’s an article from the month before the FBI requested a FISA warrant on Page: [Trump camp backs away from adviser suspected of Kremlin ties](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/297599-trump-campaign-backs-away-from-adviser-suspected-of-ties-to-kremlin). > > The idea that the FBI pursued a FISA warrant a month after that as a means of spying on presidential campaign is bonkers. Address the two hop rule. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/271 "2019-12-18T21:22:56Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Address the two hop rule. No. It’s not relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/272 "2019-12-18T21:23:06Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Address the two hop rule. Why should he. You never address any of the smackdowns you’ve been given. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/273 "2019-12-18T21:24:44Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Why should he. You never address any of the smackdowns you’ve been given. Smackdowns? By you mental midgets? You can do better. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/274 "2019-12-18T21:27:09Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > No. It’s not relevant. Yeah, I know, it doesn’t fit the narrative. Keep sipping on that kool-aid. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/275 "2019-12-18T21:31:13Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Address the two hop rule. Carter Page was running his dumb fucking mouth to the wrong people and the FBI decided to investigate what was being said and to whom and how far up the chain. Justified. > [@EasyPhil](#): > > Smackdowns? By you mental midgets? You can do better. Yeah. _You’re_ the very stable genius in the room. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/276 "2019-12-18T21:31:17Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Yeah, I know, it doesn’t fit the narrative. Keep sipping on that kool-aid. Address reality. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/277 "2019-12-18T21:39:34Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Smackdowns? By you mental midgets? You can do better. It would be hard to imagine more devastating smackdowns than the ones you keep experiencing here. Just because you refuse to acknowledge reality doesn’t mean that reality doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/278 "2019-12-18T22:38:06Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Address the two hop rule. Fuck the stupid two hop rule. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/279 "2019-12-18T22:41:30Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Fuck the stupid two hop rule. Is that related to the infield fly rule? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/280 "2019-12-18T23:17:22Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Smackdowns? By you mental midgets? You can do better. Dude, right now you’re the guy who draws a taunting penalty when the other team scores. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753.md?page=15)