# Adam Schiff a known liar should be removed as the head of the Intelligence Committee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 12, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753 "2019-12-12T14:09:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/41 "2019-12-12T16:54:20Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Yeah, I guess no debate since Schiff is a liar and nobody can argue the contrary. New Debate: If the contrary is successfully argued, will **EasyPhil** hear it? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/42 "2019-12-12T16:59:46Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > New Debate: If the contrary is successfully argued, will **EasyPhil** hear it? No. I won this debate. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/43 "2019-12-12T17:01:21Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Before we delve into the details, I want to make sure I understand the underlying principle here. Are you asserting that if an elected official lies to the American people about law enforcement findings, they should be removed from power? \ Itā€™s a trap ! \ ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/44 "2019-12-12T17:08:33Z")
We could compare liars, if the OP wishes. Trump now stands at about 13,000 in the past three years. Any challengers? I thought not. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/45 "2019-12-12T17:10:46Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > We could compare liars, if the OP wishes. Trump now stands at about 13,000 in the past three years. Any challengers? I thought not. I wonā€™t believe this unless you link to a 12,000 page report. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/46 "2019-12-12T17:18:38Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Yeah, I guess no debate since Schiff is a liar and nobody can argue the contrary. Iā€™m intrigued by this idea that folks should be removed from their position for dishonesty. Please, tell me moreā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/47 "2019-12-12T17:19:09Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Whatever, comrade. Amend that to ā€œOK, Comrade.ā€ šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/48 "2019-12-12T17:23:08Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Yeah, I guess no debate since Schiff is a liar and nobody can argue the contrary. It has to be said that you are really terrible at arguing from a premise. There is no debate because you have provided nothing worthy of debate. For this thread to move forward, you need to reference one or more specific statements by Schiff that you think were lies, and then reference one or more specific statements in the IG report that support your opinion. If you canā€™t support your premise with facts, then you are simply wasting everyoneā€™s time. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/49 "2019-12-12T17:24:11Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Yeah, I guess no debate since Schiff is a liar and nobody can argue the contrary. Youā€™ve been whipped like an ugly stepchild in this thread. Not going to step up and defend your assertions? Dang, youā€™re quite the gutless coward, arenā€™t you? That figuresā€¦your fellow MAGAtrash are, too. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/50 "2019-12-12T17:31:03Z")
Itā€™s probably because this thread was moved to the Pit. Seems that many MAGAs like to speak a lot of shit, but then when others can speak shit back they turn tail and run. Bullies canā€™t stand when they get stood up to. And the MAGA cult is largely about glorifying bullies and bullying. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/51 "2019-12-12T17:38:58Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Itā€™s probably because this thread was moved to the Pit. Seems that many MAGAs like to speak a lot of shit, but then when others can speak shit back they turn tail and run. Bullies canā€™t stand when they get stood up to. And the MAGA cult is largely about glorifying bullies and bullying. Not that I agree with this yahoo, but are we talking about the bully that stands alone or the bully that has 200 of likeminded folks to pile on? Because from my cheap seats, the bullies are the ones piling on ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/52 "2019-12-12T17:41:01Z")
I just took a look at **EasyPhil** ā€™s posting history. He has asserted: [Carter Page was set up](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=860343). [Eliot Spitzer was set up](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=490680). [Michael Jackson was set up](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=228370). [James Earl Ray was set up](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=158470). But, he also argues Adam Schiff SHOULD be set up. I guess both sides do it. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/53 "2019-12-12T17:42:02Z")
Well, HurricaneDitka left some big shoes to fill after he got banned. It is nice to see Phil step up to take the reins as the resident pro-Russian on the boards. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/54 "2019-12-12T17:50:14Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Not that I agree with this yahoo, but are we talking about the bully that stands alone or the bully that has 200 of likeminded folks to pile on? > > Because from my cheap seats, the bullies are the ones piling on ā€¦ Ever since the advent of ā€œalternative factsā€, itā€™s become much more important than ever to call out the lying liars and the lies they tell. #RESIST! ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/55 "2019-12-12T17:54:24Z")
Iā€™ll make this easy for you folksā€¦ Page 1 of the Schiff Memo > [@](#): > > ā€¦DOJ cited multiple sources to support the case for sureilling Pageā€“but made only narrow use of information from Steeleā€™s sourcesā€¦ Page 7 of the IG Report > [@](#): > > We determined that the Crossfire Hurricane > teamā€™s receipt of Steeleā€™s election reporting on > September 19, 2016 played a central and essential role > in the FBIā€™s and Departmentā€™s decision to seek the FISA > order. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/56 "2019-12-12T17:56:32Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > It has to be said that you are really terrible at arguing from a premise. There is no debate because you have provided nothing worthy of debate. For this thread to move forward, you need to reference one or more specific statements by Schiff that you think were lies, and then reference one or more specific statements in the IG report that support your opinion. If you canā€™t support your premise with facts, then you are simply wasting everyoneā€™s time. You clearly have not attended the MAGACULT school of political debate. Facts and cites are anathema to the purity of argument from unfounded assertion and shrill distraction. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/57 "2019-12-12T17:57:11Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Not that I agree with this yahoo, but are we talking about the bully that stands alone or the bully that has 200 of likeminded folks to pile on? > > Because from my cheap seats, the bullies are the ones piling on ā€¦ You misunderstand. They like to assert things and be abrasive like their hero, but then canā€™t handle it when someone says anything back to them. Freedom of speech for me, but thee better not say anything against what I said. Like this: Some on the right: You should never even mention a childā€™s name in the political sphere. How dare you? Be best. Those same people: GRETA THUNBERG SUCKS AND I HATE HER. LETā€™S ALL RIDICULE HER!!! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/58 "2019-12-12T18:00:43Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Iā€™ll make this easy for you folksā€¦ Schiff misspelled ā€œsurveillingā€ in his own memo? You are right, heā€™s a dirty, dirty liar! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/59 "2019-12-12T18:00:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Before we delve into the details, I want to make sure I understand the underlying principle here. Are you asserting that if an elected official lies to the American people about law enforcement findings, they should be removed from power? Excellent idea! \*\*How fast can we get rid of Trump? He lies constantly, ever fucking day, and never fucking stops.\*\* > **[Analysis | President Trump has made 13,435 false or misleading claims over...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/14/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/)** > > Trump has been president for almost 1,000 days. That means lots and lots of false or misleading claims. President Trump has made 13,435 false or misleading claims over 993 days > **[Fact-checks | PolitiFact](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=donald-trump&ruling=false)** > > PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter. > **[Trump Watch](https://www.nrdc.org/trump-watch)** > > Keeping a vigilant eye on the administrationā€™s environmental actions. > **[Every false claim Donald Trump has made as president](https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/)** > > U.S. President Donald Trump has proven uniquely willing to lie, exaggerate and mislead. Here is the Star's list of all his false claims. [https://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/](https://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/) [https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/22/jake-tapper-trump-gaslight-country-072888](https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/22/jake-tapper-trump-gaslight-country-072888) Jake Tapper: Trump is trying to ā€˜gaslight the countryā€™ Trumpā€™s dishonesty in the White House has been thoroughly documented. Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler and his team have tallied more than 13,000 false or misleading claims since taking office, while CNNā€™s Daniel Dale this week highlighted 45 false claims specifically about impeachment and Ukraine. The New York Times counted more than 1,700 conspiracy theories on Trumpā€™s Twitter feed. [https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-impeachment-lies/](https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-impeachment-lies/) The most blatant attack on facts comes in the form of the unabashed lying of President Donald Trump, who obfuscates and changes his many stories with impressive regularity. By this October, after almost 1,000 days in office, according to The Washington Postā€™s Fact Checkerā€™s database, he had made 13,435 false or misleading claims. He had lied about immigration, the stock market, the impact his sanctions and tariffs were having on the American economy, US troop withdrawals from the Middle East, the size of his crowds, and even the weather, which, of course, is just the beginning of a far longer list. [https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/10/politics/donald-trump-lies-fact-check/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/10/politics/donald-trump-lies-fact-check/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/60 "2019-12-12T18:01:30Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Iā€™ll make this easy for you folksā€¦ > > Page 1 of the Schiff Memo > > Page 7 of the IG Report Those two statements are not contradictory. Anything else ? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753.md?page=4)