# Adam Schiff a known liar should be removed as the head of the Intelligence Committee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 12, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753 "2019-12-12T14:09:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/61 "2019-12-12T18:01:36Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I just took a look at **EasyPhil** ’s posting history. He has asserted: > > [Carter Page was set up](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=860343). > [Eliot Spitzer was set up](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=490680). > [Michael Jackson was set up](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=228370). > [James Earl Ray was set up](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=158470). > > But, he also argues Adam Schiff SHOULD be set up. I guess both sides do it. Isn’t there a rule about deliberately misquoting? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/62 "2019-12-12T18:02:06Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Nobody needs an IG report to establish Nunes’ lies. He needs to be ousted and face charges TOO. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/63 "2019-12-12T18:02:45Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > I’ll make this easy for you folks… > > Page 1 of the Schiff Memo > > Page 7 of the IG Report “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” You have indeed made mocking you easy-thank you. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/64 "2019-12-12T18:03:58Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > How does it feel being a fucking shill for a Russian disinformation campaign, designed to damage the United States? Does it feel good? Do you like being **a shill for a foreign adversary**? He’s a fucking liar. That’s all I need to know. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/65 "2019-12-12T18:08:59Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Isn’t there a rule about deliberately misquoting? Yes, there is. Which of the referenced statements is purported to be a quote? Hint: quotes are normally indicated by the use of quotation marks. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/66 "2019-12-12T18:09:30Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > I’ll make this easy for you folks… > > Page 1 of the Schiff Memo > > Quote: > …DOJ cited multiple sources to support the case for sureilling Page–but made only narrow use of information from Steele’s sources… > Page 7 of the IG Report > > Quote: > We determined that the Crossfire Hurricane > team’s receipt of Steele’s election reporting on > September 19, 2016 played a central and essential role > in the FBI’s and Department’s decision to seek the FISA > order. TRANSLATION for the hard of thinking: There was sufficient justification to pursue a FISA warrant due to Steele’s reporting. However, once fully investigated, the information was assessed to be of limited value. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/67 "2019-12-12T18:12:20Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Yeah, I guess no debate since Schiff is a liar and nobody can argue the contrary. Who woke this idiot up? ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/68 "2019-12-12T18:14:23Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > TRANSLATION for the hard of thinking: > > There was sufficient justification to pursue a FISA warrant due to Steele’s reporting. However, once fully investigated, the information was assessed to be of limited value. Steele’s reporting wasn’t factual from the beginning. From page 186-197 of the IG Report > [@](#): > > The FBI conducted interviews of the Primary Sub-source in January, March, and May 2017 that raised significant questions about the reliability of the Steele election reporting. In particular, the FBI’s interview with Steele’s Primary Subsource in January 2017, shortly after the FBI filed the Carter Page FISA Renewal Application No. 1 and months prior to Renewal Application No. 2, raised doubts about the reliability of Steele’s descriptions of information in his election reports. During the FBI’s January interview, at which Case Agent 1, the Supervisory Intel Analyst, and representatives of NSD were present, the Primary Sub-source told the FBI that he/she had not seen Steele’s reports until they became public that month, and that he/she made statements indicating that Steele misstated or exaggerated the Primary Sub-source’s statements in multiple sections of the reporting. 336 For example, the Primary Sub-source told the FBI that, while Report 80 stated that Trump’s alleged sexual activities at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Moscow had been “confirmed” by a senior, western staff member at the hotel, the Primary Sub-source explained that he/she reported to Steele that Trump’s alleged unorthodox sexual activity at the Ritz Carlton hotel was “rumor and speculation” and that he/she had not been able to confirm the story. A second example provided by the Primary Sub-source was Report 134’s description of a meeting allegedly held between Carter Page and Igor Sechin, the President of Rosneft, a Russian energy conglomerate. 337 Report 134 stated t hat, according to a “close associate” of Sechin, Sechin offered “PAGE/TRUMP’s associates the brokerage of up to a 19 percent (privatized) stake in Rosneft” in return for the lifting of sanctions against the company. 338 The Primary Sub-source told the FBI that one of his/ her subsources furnished information for that part of Report 134 through a text message, but said that the sub-source never stated that Sechin had offered a brokerage interest to Page. 339 We reviewed the texts and did not find any discussion of a bribe, whether as an interest in Rosneft itself or a “brokerage.” ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/69 "2019-12-12T18:18:43Z")
What do you people have against people that want to **M** ake **A** merica **G** reat **A** gain? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/70 "2019-12-12T18:20:03Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > What do you people have against people that want to **M** ake **A** merica **G** reat **A** gain? Well, for one, they lie, like all the time. Considering your bold stance against liars, shouldn’t you also be against those people? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/71 "2019-12-12T18:21:43Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Steele’s reporting wasn’t factual from the beginning. > > From page 186-197 of the IG Report So Schiff’s statement that the report was of limited value was correct? How does this support your premise? ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/72 "2019-12-12T18:22:12Z")
Now you’ve done it, Straight Dopers. You’ve hurt the MAGAsucker’s feelings. He’s all triggered and butt-hurt. For shame. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/73 "2019-12-12T18:22:31Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > What do you people have against people that want to **M** ake **A** merica **G** reat **A** gain? When was it originally “Great” in your opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/74 "2019-12-12T18:23:30Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > What do you people have against people that want to **M** ake **A** merica **G** reat **A** gain? For another, their definition of “great” doesn’t line up with mine. My, you’re a delicate flower. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/75 "2019-12-12T18:27:28Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Those two statements are not contradictory. Anything else ? Please, please, please don’t make me defend a brainless, partisan hack like **Easy Phil** , but, to my eye, Schiff’s memo certainly understated the reliance of the FBI on the Steele dossier (“narrow use”). The IG report is clear the dossier did not start the investigation, but it did conclude that it played a larger part in the obtaining of the FISA warrant. However, EasyPhil clearly ignores the corroboration and myriad of other information that also went into the obtaining of the FISA warrant, instead focusing only on the Steele dossier and ignoring everything else. He does that because he’s a dishonest idiot. I wouldn’t call what Schiff’s memo said a “lie”, but it was clearly spin that made a better case than actually existed. Which, by the by, shouldn’t make any difference whatsoever in anything that’s occurred in the last 2 years. This “Schiff lied” and “FISA abused” crap is just the latest distraction from the right to try and avoid the reality that Trump committed impeachable offenses. Which is why EasyPhil won’t reply to the oft-asked question: “So what?” Because he’s an idiot. And a partisan hack. And simple minded. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/76 "2019-12-12T18:28:37Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Steele’s reporting wasn’t factual from the beginning. > > From page 186-197 of the IG Report Which is why it was concluded to be, “…of narrow use…”. Is it your contention that interest in Carter Page, a known person of interest to US Intelligence agencies, was solely based on the Steele report? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/77 "2019-12-12T18:32:29Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Isn’t there a rule about deliberately misquoting? Yeah but you’re in the Pit now so people are letting you slide on that part. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/78 "2019-12-12T18:33:16Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > It’s probably because this thread was moved to the Pit. Seems that many MAGAs like to speak a lot of shit, but then when others can speak shit back they turn tail and run. Bullies can’t stand when they get stood up to. And the MAGA cult is largely about glorifying bullies and bullying. But. . .but. . .Melania fixed the boolying, didn’t she? “Be Best” and all, y’see. Sometimes I honestly feel bad for that poor, deluded, trapped creature. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/79 "2019-12-12T18:37:58Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > What do you people have against people that want to **M** ake **A** merica **G** reat **A** gain? Mostly that MAGA is not a plan, it’s a meaningless cult mantra for the gullible rubes. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/80 "2019-12-12T18:37:59Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > What do you people have against people that want to **M** ake **A** merica **G** reat **A** gain? Well, Sleazy Shill, the people don’t want to make America great for everybody, just for white Christian heterosexuals. Not so much for real Christians, mind you, just the phony sort who savor the suffering of women having their babies jerked from their arms and tossed into cages. The sort that think that having children massacred in schools is a price worth paying to indulge in their masturbatory gun fantasies, the kind who think a bit of parasitic flesh the size of a fingernail is a human being with rights but cheer when a cop shoots a child dead while playing with a toy gun within seconds of pulling his car up to the scene. You don’t want to make America great, you want to make America hate, and you love this corrupt moron because he hates the same people you do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753.md?page=5)