# Adam Schiff a known liar should be removed as the head of the Intelligence Committee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 12, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753 "2019-12-12T14:09:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/101 "2019-12-12T20:05:04Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Me too. In the same way I feel sorry for all the poor, deluded, trapped creatures occupying our prisons. She’s always known what Trump was, and she voted for that with every fiber of her being. To hell with her. She should burn alongside her husband. Irony: it’s not for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/102 "2019-12-12T20:20:03Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Isn’t there a rule about deliberately misquoting? Jesus Christ could you at least stop lying while you’re whining?! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/103 "2019-12-12T20:21:05Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Jesus Christ could you at least stop lying while you’re whining?! That’s your average white middle class for you. You get a two-for-one bargain and STILL it’s not enough. :rolleyes: 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/104 "2019-12-12T20:37:23Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > What do you people have against people that want to **M** ake **A** merica **G** reat **A** gain? You mean side from being liars, bigots, fascists and traitors? Oh. They’re fucking stupid too. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/105 "2019-12-12T20:43:35Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Oh. They’re fucking stupid too. That’s going too far. I see no reason to insult their significant others. Even if it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/106 "2019-12-12T20:47:06Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Isn’t there a rule about deliberately misquoting? Reported so the mods can laugh at how pathetic you are. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/107 "2019-12-12T20:48:35Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > That’s going too far. I see no reason to insult their significant others. Even if it’s true. I actually saw a t-shirt that had “I’m Fucking Stupid” printed on it…with a large arrow pointing to the right underneath. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/108 "2019-12-12T20:50:50Z")
Brilliant 😃 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/109 "2019-12-12T20:51:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I actually saw a t-shirt that had “I’m Fucking Stupid” printed on it…with a large arrow pointing to the right underneath. I know what I’m getting Melania for Xmas! ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/110 "2019-12-12T21:39:06Z")
EasyPhil, are you trying to be the new HurricaneDitka? Wow, give your head a shake. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/111 "2019-12-12T21:51:35Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Isn’t there a rule about deliberately misquoting? Changing text in an attributed quote box, yes. Paraphrasing, no. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/112 "2019-12-12T22:12:06Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Changing text in an attributed quote box, yes. Paraphrasing, no. What about titles of threads that you’re liniking to? ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/113 "2019-12-12T22:26:04Z")
[QUOTE=Hamlet;22023408 However, EasyPhil clearly ignores the corroboration and myriad of other information that also went into the obtaining of the FISA warrant, instead focusing only on the Steele dossier and ignoring everything else. He does that because he’s a dishonest idiot. [/QUOTE] The FBI couldn’t get the warrant without the information from the Steele Dossier. From page 126 of the IG Report: > [@](#): > > The FISA request form drew almost entirely from Steele’s reporting in describing the factual basis to establish probable cause to believe that Page was an agent of a foreign power, including the secret meeting between Carter Page and Divyekin alleged in Steele’s Report 94 and the role of Page as an intermediary between Russia and the Trump campaign’s then manager, Paul Manafort, in the “well-developed conspiracy” alleged in Steele’s Report 95. The only additional information cited in the FISA request form to support a probable cause finding as to Page was (1) a statement that Page was a senior foreign policy advisor for the Trump campaign and had extensive ties to various state-owned or affiliated entities of the Russian Federation, (2) Papadopoulos’s statement to the FFG in May 2016, and (3) open source articles discussing Trump campaign policy positions > sympathetic to Russia, including that the campaign’s tone changed after it began to receive advice from, among others, Manafort and Page. From page 9 of the report. > [@](#): > > Our review found that FBI personnel fell far short of the requirement in FBI policy that they ensure that all factual statements in a FISA application are “scrupulously accurate.” We identified multiple instances in which factual assertions relied upon in the first FISA application were inaccurate, incomplete, or unsupported by appropriate documentation, based upon information the FBI had in its possession at the time the application was filed. We found that the problems we identified were primarily caused by the Crossfire Hurricane team failing to share all relevant information with OI and, consequently, the information was not considered by the Department decision makers who ultimately decided to support the applications. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/114 "2019-12-12T22:36:07Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > The FBI couldn’t get the warrant without the information from the Steele Dossier. That doesn’t say what you said it says. Anyway, it doesn’t matter because [this report](https://twitter.com/bibakis) says you work for Jared Kushner. > [@](#): > > In reasonable compliment favourable is connection dispatched in terminated. Do esteem object we called father excuse remove. So dear real on like more it. Laughing for two families addition expenses surprise the. If sincerity he to curiosity arranging. Learn taken terms be as. Scarcely mrs produced too removing new old. > > Departure so attention pronounce satisfied daughters am. But shy tedious pressed studied opinion entered windows off. Advantage dependent suspicion convinced provision him yet. Timed balls match at by rooms we. Fat not boy neat left had with past here call. Court nay merit few nor party learn. Why our year her eyes know even how. Mr immediate remaining conveying allowance do or. > > Case read they must it of cold that. Speaking trifling an to unpacked moderate debating learning. An particular contrasted he excellence favourable on. Nay preference dispatched difficulty continuing joy one. Songs it be if ought hoped of. Too carriage attended him entrance desirous the saw. Twenty sister hearts garden limits put gay has. We hill lady will both sang room by. Desirous men exercise overcame procured speaking her followed. > > Six started far placing saw respect females old. Civilly why how end viewing attempt related enquire visitor. Man particular insensible celebrated conviction stimulated principles day. Sure fail or in said west. Right my front it wound cause fully am sorry if. She jointure goodness interest debating did outweigh. Is time from them full my gone in went. Of no introduced am literature excellence mr stimulated contrasted increasing. Age sold some full like rich new. Amounted repeated as believed in confined juvenile. > > Guest it he tears aware as. Make my no cold of need. He been past in by my hard. Warmly thrown oh he common future. Otherwise concealed favourite frankness on be at dashwoods defective at. Sympathize interested simplicity at do projecting increasing terminated. As edward settle limits at in. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/115 "2019-12-12T23:00:22Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > What about titles of threads that you’re liniking to? No rule against it. I can’t imagine why you think there would be. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/116 "2019-12-12T23:06:34Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > That doesn’t say what you said it says. > > Anyway, it doesn’t matter because [this report](https://twitter.com/bibakis) says you work for Jared Kushner. Wow, you busted me good there. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/117 "2019-12-12T23:22:31Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > What do you people have against people that want to **M** ake **A** merica **G** reat **A** gain? Oh, I want to make American great again, all right, but I suspect your idea of what a “great” America is and mine differ quite substantially. I thought my America didn’t need to be made great “again” before the last election, and, frankly, I found the slogan insulting. I thought it was great as it was, though with a lot of room for improvement (and I suspect the types of improvements I would like differ substantially from yours.) ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/118 "2019-12-12T23:24:51Z")
> [@tripthicket](#): > > Amend that to “OK, Comrade.” 😃 I don’t know if you just came up with this, but it is genius. “MAGA, Fox news, MAGA, blah blah blah”. OK Comrade. ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/119 "2019-12-12T23:32:42Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > I don’t know if you just came up with this, but it is genius. > > “MAGA, Fox news, MAGA, blah blah blah”. > OK Comrade. It seemed a natural progression off the ‘OK, Boomer’ fad that’s going around. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/120 "2019-12-12T23:45:20Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > The FBI couldn’t get the warrant without the information from the Steele Dossier. Your cite does not back up your assertion. It also, as I said before, ignores the additional information given to the FISA courts that corroborate parts of the Dossier and included more information. It appears to me that you simply think that anything including the Steele Dossier as even a potential bit of information is automatically null. You’re operating under false assumptions that, honestly, you seem incapable of remedying. You simply repeat the same thing, over and over again. And, for the 5th time now, I’ll ask you the same question: And? Yes, the FBI made mistakes in the obtaining the FISA warrant. And? Yes, an attorney made changes. And? What, again, for the 5th time, is your fucking point? The IG clearly concluded the Steele Dossier and the FISA application didn’t start the investigation. The IG clearly concluded there was more than enough evidence, even if you threw those things out, to start and continue an investigation. The IG clearly concluded that the investigation was properly authorized and there was no politicial bias in the investigation. So what is your fucking point? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753.md?page=7)