# Adam Schiff a known liar should be removed as the head of the Intelligence Committee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 12, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753 "2019-12-12T14:09:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/121 "2019-12-12T23:48:08Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > … wasting everyone’s time. Not true. By being a straight man for some really witty repartee, **easyphil** was instrumental in providing some first class entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/122 "2019-12-13T00:02:12Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > What about titles of threads that you’re liniking to? What about rules against making up rules? ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/123 "2019-12-13T00:56:02Z")
We seem to be overlooking an important detail: the Schiff memo was written in February 2018, going on two years before the IG report. Most of us worked out that “unknowing untruth vs lie” thing by age 20. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/124 "2019-12-13T01:39:45Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Wow, you busted me good there. Easy, Phil. _HEY KIDS! See if you can find all of the different meanings in my post!_ . ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/125 "2019-12-13T03:15:37Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > The FBI couldn’t get the warrant without the information from the Steele Dossier. Bull. Shit. > [@From page 126 of the IG Report](#): > > The FISA request form drew almost entirely from Steele’s reporting in describing the factual basis to establish probable cause to believe that Page was an agent of a foreign power, including the secret meeting between Carter Page and Divyekin alleged in Steele’s Report 94 and the role of Page as an intermediary between Russia and the Trump campaign’s then manager, Paul Manafort, in the “well-developed conspiracy” alleged in Steele’s Report 95. **The only additional information cited in the FISA request form to support a probable cause finding as to Page was (1) a statement that Page was a senior foreign policy advisor for the Trump campaign and had extensive ties to various state-owned or affiliated entities of the Russian Federation, (2) Papadopoulos’s statement to the FFG in May 2016, and (3) open source articles discussing Trump campaign policy positions > sympathetic to Russia, including that the campaign’s tone changed after it began to receive advice from, among others, Manafort and Page.** (My emphasis) In what world does the fact that (I’m being charitable here) “friends of Russia” entered the campaign and began inexplicably changing the platform to favor Russian interests NOT constitute probable cause to investigate further?? … Imagine that a known drug dealer is observed by police to get a job at a local restaurant, and then the police see a bunch of suspected drug buyers keep coming to the back of the restaurant, knock on a door, make a quick exchange, and then leave. Police suspect he’s selling drugs out the back door, and want a search warrant. To make the warrant application stronger, they add in the statements from an informant who reports that he did get into the kitchen and saw a drug stash. Turns out, we later discover the informant is himself a drug user, and therefore possibly unreliable, something the police failed to disclose. Now, someone like our OP might howl that this makes the whole investigation a fraud. More reasonable minds, though, would recognize that - even if you discount this additional informant - there’s still a basis to go further with the inquiry. And they would likely also realize that the informant doesn’t have to be proven 100% pure to have useful information that helps complete the picture. Perhaps more importantly, the law is intended to facilitate police investigations. That’s why - even if some evidence is speculative - there is a “good faith exception” recognized by the Supreme Court to allow even less than perfect warrants to be upheld. > **[U.S. v. Leon: Supreme Court Case, Arguments, Impact](https://www.thoughtco.com/unites-states-v-leon-supreme-court-case-arguments-impact-4588287)** > > In U.S. v. Leon (1984), the Supreme Court ruled that evidence seized in "good faith" should not be subject to the exclusionary rule. Sure, the criminals caught violating the law complain loudly that the whole investigation is bullshit. But they do so as a convicted criminal, and usually from behind bars. And law enforcement? They aren’t branded liars, and they certainly don’t lose their jobs over the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/126 "2019-12-13T08:51:46Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > What about rules against making up rules? There’s no such rule! You made that up. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/127 "2019-12-13T12:59:58Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > EasyPhil, are you trying to be the new HurricaneDitka? I get more of a **doorhinge** vibe. Yes, I know how cruel that sounds and I take no pleasure in it. He brings it upon himself. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/128 "2019-12-13T16:49:26Z")
Wait, Hurricane Ditka was banned? I can’t find the thread in ATMB. What happened? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/129 "2019-12-13T17:16:17Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Wait, Hurricane Ditka was banned? I can’t find the thread in ATMB. What happened? He kept being Hurricane Ditka. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/130 "2019-12-13T17:36:22Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Wait, Hurricane Ditka was banned? I can’t find the thread in ATMB. What happened? It’s currently the 13th thread from the top, and was posted just 3 days ago. I don’t think you’re looking very hard.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/131 "2019-12-13T19:05:37Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It’s currently the 13th thread from the top, and was posted just 3 days ago. I don’t think you’re looking very hard.😉 I only see 10 threads! :smack: I searched “Hurricane,” “Ditka” and “banned.” Am I on the right board? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/132 "2019-12-13T19:09:36Z")
Change the display options from “2 days” to “1 week.” ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/133 "2019-12-13T19:09:39Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I only see 10 threads! :smack: I searched “Hurricane,” “Ditka” and “banned.” Am I on the right board? [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=886628](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=886628) ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/134 "2019-12-13T19:13:32Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=886628](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=886628) Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/135 "2019-12-13T20:53:11Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Your cite does not back up your assertion. It also, as I said before, ignores the additional information given to the FISA courts that corroborate parts of the Dossier and included more information. > > It appears to me that you simply think that anything including the Steele Dossier as even a potential bit of information is automatically null. You’re operating under false assumptions that, honestly, you seem incapable of remedying. You simply repeat the same thing, over and over again. > > And, for the 5th time now, I’ll ask you the same question: And? > > Yes, the FBI made mistakes in the obtaining the FISA warrant. And? > Yes, an attorney made changes. And? > > What, again, for the 5th time, is your fucking point? > > The IG clearly concluded the Steele Dossier and the FISA application didn’t start the investigation. The IG clearly concluded there was more than enough evidence, even if you threw those things out, to start and continue an investigation. The IG clearly concluded that the investigation was properly authorized and there was no politicial bias in the investigation. > > So what is your fucking point? To me it looks like the Steele Dossier was used to start the investigation. Footnote 461 from the IG Report. > [@](#): > > The only express direction we found that McCabe gave regarding the use of a CHS > concerned a former FBI CHS, who contacted an FBI agent in an FBI field office in late July 2016 to > report information from “a colleague who runs an investigative firm … hired by two entities (the > Democratic National Committee [DNC] as well as another individual…[who was] not name[d]) to > explore Donald Trump’s longstanding ties to Russian entities.” The former CHS also gave the FBI > agent a list of “individuals and entities who have surfaced in [the investigative firm’s] examination,” > which the former CHS described as “mostly public source material.” In mid-September 2016, McCabe > told SSA 1 to instruct the FBI agent from the field office not to have any further contact with the > former CHS, and not to accept any information regarding the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. > McCabe told the OIG he did not remember giving those instructions, and could not tell us why he > might have done so. We found no evidence that the FBI reopened the former CHS for the Crossfire > Hurricane investigation, or tasked the former CHS in connection with the Crossfire Hurricane > investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/136 "2019-12-13T21:37:23Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > To me it looks like the Steele Dossier was used to start the investigation. So? This is like claiming that the current impeachment proceedings should be aborted because they ultimately stem from one whistleblower, despite the fact that the whisleblower’s claims have been verified. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/137 "2019-12-13T21:40:18Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I get more of a **doorhinge** vibe. > > Yes, I know how cruel that sounds and I take no pleasure in it. He brings it upon himself. He’s just as stupid as doorhinge, but missing the smarmy dunning-krugerness. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/138 "2019-12-13T21:42:02Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > To me it looks like the Steele Dossier was used to start the investigation. Footnote 461 from the IG Report. No one has disputed this. But it wasn’t the only justification for starting the investigation, and in the end they concluded that it wasn’t a reliable report, thus it did not prove to be very useful in and of itself. You know what did prove useful? [The evidence that people in the Trump campaign colluded with Russia](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/breakdown-indictments-cases-muellers-probe/story?id=61219489). ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/139 "2019-12-13T23:27:31Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > To me it looks like the Steele Dossier was used to start the investigation More complete and utter bullshit. The IG report spent A WHOLE CHAPTER describing the start of the investigation (Chapter 3). They very specifically concluded that the Steele Dossier did not start the investigation. “On July 31, 2016, the FBI opened the Crossfire Hurricane counterintelligence investigation to determine whether individuals associated with the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign were coordinating or cooperating, wittingly or unwittingly, with the Russian government to influence or interfere with the 2016 U.S. elections. according to the opening Electronic Communication (EC), the investigation was predicated on intelligence from an FFG.” “As described in Chapter Three, by the date the Crossfire Hurricane team received the six Steele reports on September 19, **the investigation had been underway for approximately 6 weeks** and the team had opened investigations on four individuals: Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn.” You know the most frustrating thing is. I pointed this out to you 3 days ago. Repeatedly. And yet, here you are, after being given information that clearly proves you wrong, still repeating the lies. And, like a little cherry on top of a shit sundae, you still refuse to answer the same question I’ve asked now 6 times, even though you specifically quoted it. You’re a coward, as well as a liar. ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2019, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753/140 "2019-12-14T04:04:56Z")
I trust Schiff way more than any Republican talking head or elected official. They have proven time after time that they will lie and lie and lie if it pleases the Orange One, who pleases Big Daddy Vlad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adam-schiff-a-known-liar-should-be-removed-as-the-head-of-the-intelligence-committee/844753.md?page=8)