# Add my name to the FUCK YOU MANHATTAN petition **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 9, 2003, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744 "2003-06-09T23:46:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![In\_Conceivable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4bbf92/32.png) [@In\_Conceivable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/In_Conceivable)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/181 "2003-06-11T11:46:44Z")
KGS, at first I just thought you were crazy. Now I think you might just be playing with us. Would you care to explain a couple of things to me? In this thread about annoying things people do on message boards you said [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=151421](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=151421) > [@](#): > > Threatening suicide on a public message board is one of my biggest pet peeves. It’s such an obvious, underhanded ploy for sympathy, and I’m always tempted to say, “If you really want to kill yourself, just DO IT already!!!” (Actually, I really did say that once, on another board. I’m not allowed back there anymore.) So when you mention suicide in the current thread is it a ploy for sympathy, do you really mean it, or are you just “pulling our leg”? If you really mean it then I hope that you do show this thread to your therapist. In this thread about the night club fire you said [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164885&highlight=accident](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164885&highlight=accident) > [@](#): > > If a meteor or a chunk of the Space Shuttle falls out of the sky and smashes the nightclub to bits, I call that an accident. > f a rock band sets off fireworks that immediately catch the place on fire and burn it to the ground, killing 96 people in the process, I call that gross negligence at best, manslaughter at worst. Now you are claiming that it was a “meteor” that hit the night club and that you had a vision about it before it even happened. Can you explain that? ---
**Author:** ![welby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d78d45/32.png) [@welby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/welby)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/182 "2003-06-11T11:55:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KGS \* > **I’m amazed, really, that no mod has banned me already out of spite.** Do you really think you matter that much to them? You’re one of thousands of posters. One of the more idiotic, pointless posters, but one of thousands. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d26b3c/32.png) [@UncleBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBill)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/183 "2003-06-11T12:06:36Z")
I don’t think that was Kurt. ---
**Author:** ![Aslan\_of\_Narnia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@Aslan\_of\_Narnia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aslan_of_Narnia)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/184 "2003-06-11T12:18:21Z")
Probably. It said Cobain suicide note, along with a picture of a person with some sort of trauma to the head. It’s still a image of a person with a graphic head wound, though. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/185 "2003-06-11T12:26:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl \* > \*\*Well, KGS is going to go _fucking postal_ when he sees that **Cajun Man** closed his thread in MPSIMS. \*\* You’d think so, wouldn’t you? Hey! I totally forgot I downloaded the Postal demo. Gotta install that for some inspiration, I need to learn knew methods. KIDDING, KIDDING GUYS!!! 🆒 Yeah, my brother did call to tell me the thread had been closed, and you know what, I’m relieved. I was getting tired of defending myself from people who obviously did NOT get the point, although debates with a few people (esp. **Joe Random** ) were actually leading somewhere. funny thing is, I didn’t see anywhere that I attacked a moderator in that thread. Yes, I referred to manny and pointed to this Pit but…am I missing a rule here? I haven’t bothered reading the rest of the replies yet except to scan for the ones I don’t mind talking to, but I did wanna say to Coldfire: _What is FUCK is up with all the people who LOVE Counterparts?_ About 90% of the people I talk to name that as one of their most _favorite_ albums by Rush, and I think it SUCKS!!! Their second worst album ever, after HTF. I do like the first song “Animate”, but “Stick it Out” just annoys me, “Cut to the Chase” obviously was too unimpressive to remember what it sounds like, and “Nobody’s Hero” is not only terrible musically, but the lyrics annoy the piss out of me. (Yes, I am sensitive to AIDS patients, I had a dear friend who was diagnosed with AIDS and a few months later just VANISHED off the face of the Earth…not even his parents know where he went!) I don’t mind AIDS-related subjects, like the beautiful movie “Philadelphia” but I do NOT need to hear about it in a Rush song. (Unless it really IS about Freddie Mercury, which would change everything, obviously.) “Between the Sun & the Moon” I must have skipped over the first time because, when they added that song to their last tour as a tribute to John Entwhistle (another tragic loss) I listened to the CD again, and that one surprised me because it’s pretty damn good. “Alien Shore” also sounded ok, and I started thinking, “Hmm, maybe I should give this stinking turd another chance.” But then “The Speed of Love” kicked in (ACK!! The word LOVE in a Rush song???) then “Double Agent” kicked in, followed by that sub-par instrumental, and…well, after that I turned it off, because I did NOT want to suffer through the next song “Cold Fire” which IMVHO is the WORST SONG EVER BY RUSH. But hey, opinions differ. Indeed, it is clear that our esteemed moderator liked that song so much, he took it as his nick. And I know of FOUR other people who go by “Coldfire” on the 'Net. It’s fucking bizarre. I mean, I’ve heard of love-it-or-hate-it-albums before, but never one where the ratio is 499,999:1 What did you think of “Vital Signs”? ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/186 "2003-06-11T12:49:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by In Conceivable \* > \*\*KGS, at first I just thought you were crazy. Now I think you might just be playing with us. > \*\* I have thought that since the get go. His subsequent posts have done nothing but reinforce that notion. Just another attention whore. The more he posts, the less consistent his schitck gets. Well, at least he is getting attention- although ridicule doesn’t seem to have been his target. Maybe he is going to settle for pity now. Either way, I ain’t buying it. Once school starts back up we will be rid of this nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Aslan\_of\_Narnia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@Aslan\_of\_Narnia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aslan_of_Narnia)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/187 "2003-06-11T13:00:10Z")
elf6c, is KGS even in school? At 30 or however old he is, I doubt it’s applicable. Do you think that _all_ these trolling/attention whores are young enough to be in school? I admit, they’re are young trolls/attention whores(like Raisinbread), but kids going back to school isn’t going to solve the problem, just slow it down. Summertime is a time where _everybody_ has more free time, not just the people in school. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/188 "2003-06-11T13:09:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > \*\*I took the liberty of checking out this kid’s website. While I’m not going down the “bash his website” road here (God knows I shouldn’t speak in that regard), I did find proof that **KGS** is indeed, as they say, a loonie. > > [He thinks _Test for Echo_ is a better album than _Counterparts_.](http://www.neteze.com/space/cds/rush.htm) > > Signed, sealed, delivered. A loonie. \*\* Then sign me up for the loonie bin. Are you nuts? Counterparts has a few good songs but is overall one of their weaker efforts. TfE holds together MUCH better! ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/189 "2003-06-11T13:09:18Z")
WTF, I totally thought I was in Cafe Society when I finished that thread. Well, that’s what a night w/o sleep and 2 pots of coffee will do to you. Heh, manic trips are sooooo fun…get so much stuff done. 🆒 Okay, umm…where were we? Oh shit. Just saw **In Conceivable** ’s post: > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > _posted by KGS:_ > > If a meteor or a chunk of the Space Shuttle falls out of the sky and smashes the nightclub to bits, I call that an accident. > > f a rock band sets off fireworks that immediately catch the place on fire and burn it to the ground, killing 96 people in the process, I call that gross negligence at best, manslaughter at worst. > > Now you are claiming that it was a “meteor” that hit the night club and that you had a vision about it before it even happened. Can you explain that? Oh fucking shit. Did I say that after or BEFORE the Columbia tragedy??? I know that I didn’t know about it (Columbia) until two full days after it happened…and here I was ready to recant any claim that I had of having the gift of prophecy, yet again… This thread sure took a surreal turn. Has anyone ever pitted himself by accident? LOL. **Priceguy** – I meant from here in The Pit. BTW, I understand the attraction now…I just finished re-reading the classic “meltdowns” in SDMB history: **peace** , **FreakyFreely** , and **Jeremy’s Evil Twin** – dude, that last guy was _scary_, not just his obsession with killing children but the fact that “Jeremy” is one of MY favorite songs, too! Yikes!! (Does anyone know where he went? When the Beltway Sniper shootings started, I swear to God I thought of him…) And does it count as a “meltdown” if the guy sticks around? I’m just checking in occasionally waiting for manny’s apology, or at the very least someone to explain IN WORDS OF ONE SYLLABLE OR LESS why he does not owe me one. After all, if I said to someone in GQ, “Dude, I think your ideas are stupid,” I’d be bitch-slapped by a mod right quick, or even banned. (Hell, I’m tempted to try it myself…but it ain’t worth a banning, which I know some mods are just ITCHING to do…) Oh, and I’m laughing my ass off at the numerous “psychological problems” posts. If you only knew…but I’m not taking that bait. Because I can already predict the response. See? I told you I was psychic. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![In\_Conceivable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4bbf92/32.png) [@In\_Conceivable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/In_Conceivable)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/190 "2003-06-11T13:18:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KGS \* > \*\* > Oh fucking shit. Did I say that after or BEFORE the Columbia tragedy??? I know that I didn’t know about it (Columbia) until two full days after it happened…and here I was ready to recant any claim that I had of having the gift of prophecy, yet again… > \*\* So you had a vision about it after it already happened? And based on that you assumed that the part about the Ducks was going to happen? ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/191 "2003-06-11T13:32:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KGS \* > \*\* Heh, manic trips are sooooo fun…get so much stuff done. 🆒 > > \ > > Oh, and I’m laughing my ass off at the numerous “psychological problems” posts. If you only knew…but I’m not taking that bait. Because I can already predict the response. See? I told you I was psychic. 😉 \*\* So you don’t want to talk about your “psychological problems”. Why mention them then? Is this like how you didn’t want to talk about your matrix beliefs? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/192 "2003-06-11T14:52:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KGS \* > \*\* I’m just checking in occasionally waiting for manny’s apology, or at the very least someone to explain IN WORDS OF ONE SYLLABLE OR LESS why he does not owe me one. \*\* The thread was in the wrong place, and it is his job to close threads in the wrong place. He closed it. He thought your ideas in that thread were not good. It is not bad to say they were not good when he closes it. It is just wrong to fight in GQ. He was not wrong and does not owe you one. (It’s not easy to write only in words of one syllable) ---
**Author:** ![welby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d78d45/32.png) [@welby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/welby)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/193 "2003-06-11T15:04:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KGS \* > \*\*I’m just checking in occasionally waiting for manny’s apology, or at the very least someone to explain IN WORDS OF ONE SYLLABLE OR LESS why he does not owe me one. \*\* You are dumb. There you go! ---
**Author:** ![In\_Conceivable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4bbf92/32.png) [@In\_Conceivable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/In_Conceivable)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/194 "2003-06-11T15:46:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Captain Amazing \* > \*\*(It’s not easy to write only in words of one syllable) \*\* Now I want you to try to write in in word _less_ then one syllable.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/195 "2003-06-11T17:20:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Captain Amazing \* > \*\* … ideas … closes … > > (It’s not easy to write only in words of one syllable) \*\* Even harder than you thought, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Gotterfunken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/58956e/32.png) [@Gotterfunken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gotterfunken)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/196 "2003-06-11T17:27:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > \*\*He thinks _Test for Echo_ is a better album than _Counterparts_. > > Signed, sealed, delivered. A loonie. \*\* He also thinks that _Wish_ is one of The Cure’s best albums, and compares it to _Distintegration_. This is the same album that featured “Friday I’m in Love.” [http://www.neteze.com/space/cds/cure.htm](http://www.neteze.com/space/cds/cure.htm) Nothing to add, really. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/197 "2003-06-11T19:26:12Z")
**KGSSeveral Related Questions** I assume that you used some sort of inference to arrive at the idea. What is the distinction between the Matrix existing and not existing? What are the initial phenomena that lead you to the conclusion that the Matrix existed instead of not existing? Why do you think that the Matrix thingy exists? How can you tell that it exists? What do you use to determine its properties? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/198 "2003-06-11T19:37:01Z")
I was reading along, rather enjoying myself, content with the thought that ol’ **KGB** was just another 15 year old who thought they had everything all figured out. That is, until I read this. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KGS \* > **What really got me was the “meltdown” comment. Haha, piss on that. Looking back in hindsight, I was seeing signs that a demonic attack from the Red Matrix was imminent, and I was right. Thing is, not only did it NOT work (pertaining to all you wolves attempting to drive me over the edge and possibly even kill myself, which wuld have been an empty gesture since you guys would have LOVED to dance and piss on my grave if someone actually told you that this petty thread drove me to suicide – you all feed on blood, after all) it has given me resolve to stay right here. And it also “fixed” something that was bothering me in the last few days (which I won’t elaborate on here, but I will in the GD thread, if anyone asks.)** This has got to be an act. No sane, rational person thinks like this. Do they? ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/199 "2003-06-11T19:47:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aslan2 \* > \*\*elf6c, is KGS even in school? At 30 or however old he is, I doubt it’s applicable. Do you think that _all_ these trolling/attention whores are young enough to be in school? I admit, they’re are young trolls/attention whores(like Raisinbread), but kids going back to school isn’t going to solve the problem, just slow it down. Summertime is a time where _everybody_ has more free time, not just the people in school. \*\* Hi **Aslan2**. Remember most ages (among other things) are self reported- please take them with a big grain of salt. And no, trolling/attention whores are not a age delimited catagory. There just seems to be a uptick in them during summer months and during school holidays. Our non-school age attention whores of course are not limited to these time periods, thus the tidal inflow of extra school age attention whores seem to join them during holidays and vacation periods and worsen the problem. Think of it like this, school in session = low tide. Still plenty of water, just lower levels of it. School’s out = high tide. And sad to say, once school is finished, you do not get extra time in the summer (unless you live in one of those cool countries with the concept of “holiday month”). And most parents actually have less time, as their children are no longer in school full time. As you know, young posters are not the problem- dimwitted attention whores are the problem (the clever ones tend not to cause as many problems). Do you agree? ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2003, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/200 "2003-06-11T20:03:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*I’d like to add that I had a vision just now-and in this vision, I found that you must all give me your credit card numbers, or something very bad will happen. \*\* Dammit, not again… Why can’t someone else’s credit history be responsible to save the universe, oh well, I gotta be a saviour somehow… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744.md?page=11)