# Add my name to the FUCK YOU MANHATTAN petition **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 9, 2003, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744 "2003-06-09T23:46:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/221 "2003-06-12T16:38:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by manhattan \* > \*\*Wait a minute. Everything else is predestined but it was just luck that you ‘couldn’t’ bet on the game? Uh-uh. It was my intervention and the time you took to respond to it that prevented you from betting on the hockey game. > > You realize what that means, of course. What that means is that from your reference frame **I am God**. \*\* Ah, manny! I totally missed your reply. Like I said to **everton** , I’m fucking blind. Anyway, since it was my rant about you locking the GQ thread (which caused this whole fucking mess in the FIRST place), you are the one person I _will_ respond to. Okay: 1. Dude, by the time I noticed you had locked the thread, Game 7 was just about to start, and yes I was looking to bet on the game, but it’s difficult if you don’t live in or near Las Vegas, and by the time I contacted someone who _could_ help me, the odds were 3:1 (in Jersey’s favor) and that wasn’t enough potential gain to actually put my theory to _financial_ risk. (Now, if I’d had this “vision” when the Ducks were 0-2…) Oh, and I hope it’s clear to everyone that my instant leap of logic from **“cinderella wins”** to **“Stanley Cup Victory”** is the root of where I got mixed up. That and the fact that I genuinely believed that Game 7 was taking place in Anaheim, not N.J., and I had already “predicted” the Angels win last year (well, more like a “strong gut feeling”, which of course is an entirely different think from prognostication – not enough to bet on, but strong enough that when they were down 0-5 in Game 6 with two innings left, I wasn’t worried, nor was I terribly surprised when the “Rally Monkey” kicked in…) And we’ve moved far beyond the “predestination” matter, this thread is no longer about that. 1. Dude, as a GQ moderator, YOU **ARE** GOD. Now…I’m assuming you’ve already read that I’m no longer pissed at you, I just don’t agree with your choice…answer me this question: Are you a Happy God, or a Vengeful God??? ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/222 "2003-06-12T16:39:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KGS \* > \*\*Hmm, not as many replies as I expected. \*\* That reeks of the “t” word. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/223 "2003-06-12T16:39:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Michael Ellis \*\*\*I think you need to put the crack pipe down, son. \*\* Nope, wrong drug. Thanks for playing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/224 "2003-06-12T17:15:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SimonX \* > **KGS > Several Related Questions** > > I assume that you used some sort of inference to arrive at the idea. > > What is the distinction between the Matrix existing and not existing? > > What are the initial phenomena that lead you to the conclusion that the Matrix existed instead of not existing? > > Why do you think that the Matrix thingy exists? > > How can you tell that it exists? > > What do you use to determine its properties? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/225 "2003-06-12T17:38:42Z")
Hey, **KGS**. . . I gotta couple of questions for you. I assume that you used some sort of inference to arrive at your ideas. So: What is the distinction between the Matrix existing and not existing? What are the initial phenomena that lead you to the conclusion that the Matrix existed instead of not existing? Why do you think that the Matrix thingy exists? How can you tell that it exists? What do you use to determine its properties? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/226 "2003-06-12T17:42:07Z")
KGS- Are you willing to test your predictive abilities? If you’ll send me a large selection of your predictions I’ll track them for you and in a while we’ll go over your hits and misses and see if we can come up with an idea of whether you’re actually getting a higher than expected rate of hits. Interested? ---
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/227 "2003-06-12T17:55:55Z")
Jonathan, I’ll be your educated guess person. 🙂 ~J ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/228 "2003-06-12T21:30:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bruce\_Daddy \* > \*\*That reeks of the “t” word. \*\* Hmm…that reeks of the “b” word. [looks around the room, sees no relevant questions, leaves.] ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/229 "2003-06-12T21:38:16Z")
What is the distinction between the Matrix existing and not existing? What are the initial phenomena that lead you to the conclusion that the Matrix existed instead of not existing? Why do you think that the Matrix thingy exists? How can you tell that it exists? What do you use to determine its properties? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/230 "2003-06-12T21:44:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KGS \* > \*\ ***everton** : Holy shit, I must be blind. I can’t see how “psychic vampires and wolves” is worth a locking, but calling manny “a problem child of a mod” _definitely_ is, and I totally missed it. (So did Czarcasm, apparently, when he moved the thread. \*\* Psychic vampires and wolves? The wolves were idiots, but the chick was hot. ---
**Author:** ![vl\_mungo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc8723/32.png) [@vl\_mungo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vl_mungo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/231 "2003-06-12T21:46:02Z")
**KGS** … you should double your medication. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/232 "2003-06-12T22:07:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KGS \* > \*\*Hmm…that reeks of the “b” word. > > [looks around the room, sees no relevant questions, leaves.] \*\* No relevant questions? I, seriously, make you that offer. I like to think my reputation for being a straight shooter here (some might call it ‘moralistic prig’) should get me some credit for being trustworthy. I won’t share your predictions with anyone. They’ll remain between you and myself until such time as the tally is made. How can that not be relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/233 "2003-06-12T22:37:13Z")
> [@](#): > > London calling, now don’t look to us > Phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust > London calling, see we ain’t got no swing > Except for the ring of that truncheon thing > The ice age is coming, the sun’s zooming in > Meltdown expected… I’m still trying to figure this out. No wait, it’s the lost quatrain and a half of Nostradamus. Or… could it be a lead to the Answer to the 17/23 correlation? ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/234 "2003-06-12T22:49:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wolfian \* > \*\*Psychic vampires and wolves? The wolves were idiots, but the chick was hot. \*\* Chick?? What chick??? [starts drooling] Oh, I get it. You’re eating KFC right now aren’t you? **Jonathan Chance** - dude your question isn’t in the fucking ballpark! Read this thread over again, twice, and you will see that I’ve already disavowed any claim to have the gift of foresight. And even if I _did_ (and some people do, you know, at least they did back in ancient times) it doesn’t work that way. You can’t control the visions…in a way, they control YOU. Seriously, I find your question ignorant and repulsive. Ok, you want a prediction? Fine. I’ll predict… _[plugs into Matrix, checks Rhythms & whatnot, comes back…]_ **Jeff Gordon** #24, will win the 2003 NASCAR Championship by a margin of 173 points. WTF??? I fucking HATE Jeff Gordon!! Hold on a minute… _[KGS throws a brick, which bounces off a butterfly’s left wing and sets up a ripple in the space-time continuum which eventually disturbs the orbit of a small comet, causing it to go backwards in time to the age of the dinosaurs and drops 336mg of iridium on the head of a smilodon, who sneezes loud enough for a volcano to hear it and erupt violently, burying a proto-mammal deep within the viscera of rock for a length of time until it is uncovered by a Cameroon scientist who mails it via FedEx to the United States for testing, except during the flight the plane hits a pocket of air turbulence (also set in motion by the original butterfly flapping it’s right wing in pain) and knocks a tiny screw off the underside of the plane’s fuselage, which falls to the ground right inside the garage area of the Atlanta Motor Speedway, and bounces at just the right angle to nick an oil hose inside the motor of Jeff Gordon’s car, causing it to rupture on Lap 12 and giving him his first DNF of the season…]_ Ok, I reversed it. The new champion will be #42, who is…checking the NASCAR website…**[Jamie McMurray!!!](http://www.nascar.com/drivers/dps/jmcmurra00/wc/index.html)** Cool, I love that kid. He’s kinda far back in the standings, though. I might have to throw another brick… ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/235 "2003-06-12T23:02:34Z")
Can’t say that no one tried. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/236 "2003-06-12T23:29:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Seriously, I find your question ignorant and repulsive. Well, of _course_ it’s ignorant, Sparky. That’s because you won’t explain yourself. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/237 "2003-06-12T23:35:06Z")
Dude, it’s not that I don’t have any answers. It’s that you’re asking the wrong questions. (Wow, never knew the Pit could be such fun. I’ll have to send yet another email to **Cajun Man** thanking him for locking my GD/MPSIMS thread…) ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/add-my-name-to-the-fuck-you-manhattan-petition/180744/238 "2003-06-12T23:41:11Z")
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