# Additional Straight Dope Forum Suggestion **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 7, 2003, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179 "2003-04-07T23:08:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179/141 "2003-04-08T19:08:21Z")
FENRIS IS OUT OF THE HIVEMIND FENRIS IS OUT OF THE HIVEMIND ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179/142 "2003-04-08T19:10:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DanielWithrow \* > IIRC, the kid was banned because he broke an explicit rule against misquoting someone else. It was a relatively new rule, however, and after two weeks, he apparently convinced the admins that he was sincerely sorry for breaking the rule and wouldn’t do it again. Actually, it was explicitly a two week timeout. Other than that, quite correct. But they all know that. They’re just being deliberate idiots. See how tactful and kind they are? > [@](#): > > His assholery has never gotten him banned. Heh. Even that’s extremely flimsy. I look up and down the threads afterwards, and I’m always more tactful and thoughtful than my opponents. Here for instance, I’d say **Fenris** is winning the asshole pot by a country mile. Nothing but threats, diversions, and zero substance. My views are more contentious, but that in itself is irrelevant, unless we’re changing the standard, of course. _On preview_ **Fenris** , I missed that. How the fuck do you misread a single sentence and then jump in to stir up shit? How overeager are you to jump my shit? Fuck off or contribute. Your apology will mean something if you just do not fucking do that ever again. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179/143 "2003-04-08T19:13:29Z")
> [@](#): > > No offense, chief, but WTF are you talking about? Esplanade was no more dangerous than Park Slope, I spent most of my time there. Uptown was much more decrepit, but still no worse than Dumbo. Everyone was cool That area has had a lot of street crime at night and is just plain not safe to walk in. > [@](#): > > As for Bourbon street – Bourbon street is a social standards exclusion zone. All the time. I haven’t the foggiest fucking clue what you think that has to do with blowing up skyscrapers. Do we have a corner where that’s socially acceptable in NY? And no, Bourbon Street is no a social standards exclusion zone. The cops DO arrest people for indecent exposure; I’ve seen 'em do it. The only behavior I think you can commit with impunity on Bourbon that you can’t elsewhere is taking beer out on the street, which is perfectly legal–hell, encouraged–as long as it’s in a paper or plastic cup. Bottles on the street are illegal and will get you fined. FYI-if you confine yourself to Bourbon, you’re missing some of the best bits of the Quarter, like O’Flaherty’s, a wonderful Irish pub with live music on the corner of Toulouse and Decatur or the ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179/144 "2003-04-08T19:15:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anthracite \* > \*\*Yup, apparantly this includes Satan, Drain Bead, and the rest of the Hate Gang too. People say how “nice” or “cool” they are IRL, but then when online they show what they really are. Pathetic. \*\* Hmmmm. What an odd point of view. I believe quite the opposite. Seems to _me_ that you could tell alot more from a person by how they behave _in real life_ then you could from the pixels they cause to light up on your computer screen every so often. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179/145 "2003-04-08T19:15:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > **For instance, I was in New Orleans for two weeks – and Bourbon street, especially is a complete raunchfest year-round. It’s a community standard that people can, to use Green Bean’s phrase “let their hair down” except it’s everything else not including the hair, to no consequence, and it should surprise _no one_ if they do that there and not anywhere else, owing to the different community standards.** Hey, wait just a frickin’ frackin’ minute! Did you just equate my “letting my hair down” with getting incredibly drunk and taking off my top? Geesh, all I meant by “let my hair down” was to be able to relax with someone and not worry that someone will insult me on the board as a result. With someone like you, I’d be afraid that in a thread about haircuts, you’d pipe up: “Boy, I met that Green Bean at a Dopefest and she sure does have some ugly hair! She should get a crew cut! What? Can’t you handle the truth? I am a crusader for truth! Is not the purpose of the board to find the truth?” And then in a later post after 56 people chastize you for being rude, you might say “All of you are so afraid of making Green Bean feel bad that you are criticizing me for just being honest. If we were all honest like me, then Green Bean would probably do the world a favor and shave her head,” thus entirely missing the two main points: 1. Your _opinion_ about my hair is not the _truth_ about my hair. Many people think my hair is lovely. They’re not deluded or afraid to tell the truth. They just have a different opinion. 2. Even if you do think my hair is truly ugly, you don’t have to bring it up like that. You don’t have to bring it up at all. And if I asked directly, “so what do you think of my hair,” you could give an honest, yet polite, answer. Note: Ace has never said anything about my hair. It’s just a hypothetical. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179/146 "2003-04-08T19:16:24Z")
> [@](#): > > No offense, chief, but WTF are you talking about? Esplanade was no more dangerous than Park Slope, I spent most of my time there. Uptown was much more decrepit, but still no worse than Dumbo. Everyone was cool That area has had a lot of street crime at night and is just plain not safe to walk in. > [@](#): > > As for Bourbon street – Bourbon street is a social standards exclusion zone. All the time. I haven’t the foggiest fucking clue what you think that has to do with blowing up skyscrapers. Do we have a corner where that’s socially acceptable in NY? And no, Bourbon Street is not a social standards exclusion zone. The cops DO arrest people for indecent exposure; I’ve seen 'em do it. The only behavior I think you can commit with impunity on Bourbon that you can’t elsewhere is taking beer out on the street, which is perfectly legal–hell, encouraged–as long as it’s in a paper or plastic cup. Bottles on the street are illegal and will get you fined. Even if some girls can expose their breasts for beads during Carnival and not get caught, it’s still not legal or accepted by the local community. FYI-if you confine yourself to Bourbon, you’re missing some of the best bits of the Quarter, like O’Flaherty’s, a wonderful Irish pub with live music on the corner of Toulouse and Decatur. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179/147 "2003-04-08T19:23:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > \*\*I consider everybody equal – and I haven’t liked the unequal way they’ve been treated, no; but that’s not what this thread is about. > \*\* This is a steaming pile of fetid donkey shit. I assure you that if _any_ other poster had waltzed into a GD thread, saw a poster expressly state that she didn’t care to know what another poster thought of her and then, despite that, the first poster proceeded (in essence) to say “Hey, we were gossiping about you behind your back and we just wanted to know, you look like a dude.” they would have been pitted. And further, I guarantee that if Jersey had, once she saw Eve’s response, simply come in and said three (3) sentences _which would NOT compromise her Christian beliefs_\*, (“I apologize for the comment I made. It was thoughtless of me. I won’t do it again and hope you can forgive me.” ) NONE of this should have happened. Instead we got her vaguely brain-damaged little psycho-meltdown where she said > [@](#): > > So, you want me to appologize for thinking Eve looks masculine? > > Ok, here I go. > > I didn’t insult Eve; I was asked a question and I made an observation. I don’t give a rats ass if you, Eve, or frosty the snow man likes it. To damn bad. > > Insults are what you guys have been doing to me, not what my observation was about Eve. > > Anyhow, I think Eve will live, whatayathink? > > I seem to be doing ok, despite all this venom. The only difference is I don’t throw the back of my hand on my head and say poor me, feel sorry for me all who are enlightened. I need tea! > > You people are ridiculous and dumb. > > get over yourselves. (Which translates to “People _like_ **Eve** and they DON’T like me! Waaah!” Ace, do you think _any_ of this would have happened if A) Jersey had simply honored Eve’s request? And do you think it would be the big deal it was if Jersey wasn’t a sociopath who’s incapable of seeing that other people are real and simply apologizing for hurting her (allegedly) inadvertantly? Fenris \ ***Vanilla** , **Polycarp** , **Guin**? Any Christian out there wanna back me up that those three sentences wouldn’t violate a biblical literalist’s belief system? ---
**Author:** ![Billdo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billdo/32/315_2.png) [@Billdo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billdo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179/148 "2003-04-08T19:32:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Giraffe \* > > In your OP, you felt that the general condemnation of your statement about the victims of the Rhode Island nightclub fire and **JerseyDiamond** ’s comment about **Eve** were indicative of censorship by the SDMB membership of unpopular ideas, which conflicts with the notion that we are here to dispel ignorance and have factual discussions. > > Correct, and also the correct interpretation of Billdo’s cite. OK, **ACE** , now I’m getting some glimmering about what you are attempting to say. Your objection is to “censorship by the SDMB membership of unpopular ideas” by large numbers of posters condemning particular things that posters may have said. Unfortunately, the problem with your objection is there is no cesnorship involved. Posters are freely allowed to express unpopular ideas (as long as they don’t violate Board rules). I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone banned or otherwise limited from posting due to the unpopularity of their views. The flip side of the freedom to post that when you post, anyone is allowed to dispute the content or form of your post (again within the bounds of Board rules). Yes, people with unpopular ideas may face a chorus of opposition, but they always have the opportunity to defend their ideas against the opposition. This board provides a free marketplace of ideas, and the fact that some ideas do not sell in the marketplace is not indicative of restrictions on free trade, but rather a reflection on the unattractiveness of the idea. P.S. My recollection of the **Ace** banning incident (and I am not a mod/admin and have no official knowledge other than what I saw posted), is that the was BANNED at the time, but with the provision that he would be allowed to apply for reinstatement after two weeks, which would or would not be granted at the adminstration’s discretion. After two weeks, he applied and was reinstated. This is significantly different from a two-week time out with automatic reinstatement at the end of that period. **Ace** , perhaps you could clarify. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179/149 "2003-04-08T19:33:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > \*\*Your apology will mean something if you just do not fucking do that ever again. \*\* Wait, isn’t that exact opinion (expressed by someone else) what started this whole mess? Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179/150 "2003-04-08T19:37:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > \*\*\*"We have an opaque, contradictory, and ever-shifting set of multiple community standards depending on the following: > > 1. The forum that you happen to be in (MSPSIMS, GD, GQ) > 2. The moderator on duty > 3. How much on the good side of that moderator you are > 4. How many friends you have online > 5. Whether you’re professed to be a minority group or not > 6. Whether your opinions are Politically Correct or not > 7. Your tone in delivering those opinions. > > And that’s the way we like it. Hope you can jitterbug all over in attempting to hew to those shifting standards. Dance, monkey, dance!"\*\*\* And yet…somehow, the _vast_, _ **overwhelming** _ majority of posters, both the relative lurkers and the hard-core addicts seem to be able to understand that there’s no magic, perfect standard that will cover every base and realize that the “Don’t Be A Jerk” rule covers the bulk of situations. Hell, the one forum that’s _tried_ to define things more narrowly as you want to do (GD) has more problems from posters tippy-toeing up to the very _edge_ of the more closely defined line and I’d suspect provokes more Pit-threads than all the other forums (except GQ) combined. (“He said I was a jerk in GD”, “No, I said that you were a Zoroastrian and ALL Zoroastrians are jerks. Group insults are allowed in GD. Nyaah”, “Oh yeah? Zoroastrianism is a religion, so that’s HATE SPEECH which _isn’t_ allowed. MODS!!!” etc, ad nauseum) and you want all the other forums to be MORE like that? Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179/151 "2003-04-08T20:04:50Z")
Okey dokey, I’ve had enough. We’ve had the original thread, we’ve have the JC/ JD Pit Fest, we’ve had the JC aplogy thread and now we have the Ace thread questioning our meta-motives. This will stop now. No more threads about this. It’s time to let go. Ace, IMHO, you’re being a jerk. Take that for what it’s worth. This matter is closed. Enough. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179/152 "2003-04-08T22:03:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dooku \* > \*\* I have mistakenly taken his bait in the past, but never again. Off to User CP… > > DNFTA \*\* Do not discuss who is on your ignore list. Or even imply it. Lynn For the Straight Dope [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/additional-straight-dope-forum-suggestion/167179.md?page=7)