# Adebaran is still a mindumbingly inane fucking asshole.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [October 25, 2003, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508 "2003-10-25T16:49:50Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/81 "2003-10-27T02:19:09Z")
You really are an idiot, ain’t you **RedFury**? Do you even know what a strawman is, moron? It is when someone argues against a point that no one has made. My comment wasn’t a strawman. You _did_ describe me as jingoist for doubting that American troops often aim at innocent civilians.
Allow me to give some examples of real strawmen from this very thread.
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> _originally posted by RedFury_
> \*\*Meaning that there’s simply NO justification to invade a sovereign nation under false premises and outright lies and butchering countless of innocents in the process.
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Where the fuck did that come from? Who the hell is talking about “justification” or “butchering innocents”? I didn’t say anything remotely close to that. It’s a straw man. He’s got a twin brother in the same post.
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> _originally posted by RedFury_
> **Guess the only ones that “count” are your own.**
That was just low. Show me, shit for brains, where I even came close to insinuating that. I never said anything remotely of the kind, you blind, fetal alcoholic, close minded idiot.
I didn’t post a strawman. You’ve posted a two for one. You’re a moron.
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### Author:  [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/82 "2003-10-27T02:21:03Z")
Fuck you! Translation, for the brain-impaired:
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> Oh, go fuck yourself with a rusty spoon. Or shove a tree up your ass. Your pick.
Fairly self explanatory. If you’ve got questions, ask your mother.
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> I’ve been trying to wade through Aldebaran’s bullshit for an hour, but the hamsters are on strike.
I’ve been looking for the definitive Alde lies, but the boards are slow.
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219202](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219202) Falsehoods and half truths. Fuck you.
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> Look at “Ladies and Gentlemen, Aldebaran!” and “Aldebaran, if you tried, could you be more condescending?” for his bullshit about speaking ten languages. He was repeatedly called to prove it, and wouldn’t, because his post is his cite.
Look at the thread’s I mentioned to see his lies, misrepresentations, half truths and sundry bullshit.
If I’ve got a hard on, you’re fucking him up the ass.
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### Author:  [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/83 "2003-10-27T03:05:23Z")
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> \*Originally posted by A Monkey With a Gun \*
> **You really are an idiot, ain’t you RedFury? Do you even know what a strawman is, moron? It is when someone argues against a point that no one has made. My comment wasn’t a strawman.**
Indeed, it was. E.g. _"jingoist because I don’t think it’s a duck hunt?’_
I’ll simply note that the “duck hunt” part was pulled out of your ass. However, reading the rest of your post allows for some semblance of hope and this may have been simple brainfart.
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> **You _did_ describe me as jingoist for doubting that American troops often aim at innocent civilians.**
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No. I described you as jingoistic for doubting that with [at least 7,500 civilian deaths](http://www.iraqbodycount.net/) _some_ didn’t happen due to overzealous soldiers, ill-trained in police work, going off half-cocked on Iraqi civilians. The odds _against_ that happening are slim and none.
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> \*\*Allow me to give some examples of real strawmen from this very thread.Where the fuck did that come from? Who the hell is talking about “justification” or “butchering innocents”? I didn’t say anything remotely close to that. It’s a straw man. He’s got a twin brother in the same post. That was just low. Show me, shit for brains, where I even came close to insinuating that. I never said anything remotely of the kind, you blind, fetal alcoholic, close minded idiot.
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Easy enough. Anyone denying that the current situation in Iraq is needlessly out of control and that the US is _directly_ responsible for it, is, in my mind, an out of control “patriot,” whose bought the Party Line.
OTOH, you’ll be pleased to read that the Spanish judge gives you an 8.5 for the vitriol contained in the rest of your post.
**Ilsa**
Get back to me when you’ve done your homework. Whining like a little bitch is quite unbecoming.
Till then, you’re dismissed…
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### Author:  [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/84 "2003-10-27T03:16:19Z")
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> \*Originally posted by A Monkey With a Gun \*
> **You really are an idiot, ain’t you RedFury? Do you even know what a strawman is, moron? It is when someone argues against a point that no one has made. My comment wasn’t a strawman.**
Indeed, it was. E.g. _"jingoist because I don’t think it’s a duck hunt?’_
I’ll simply note that the “duck hunt” part was pulled out of your ass. However, reading the rest of your post allows for some semblance of hope and this may have been a brainfart.
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> **You _did_ describe me as jingoist for doubting that American troops often aim at innocent civilians.**
No. I described you as jingoistic for doubting that with [at least 7,500 civilian deaths](http://www.iraqbodycount.net/) _some_ didn’t happen due to overzealous soldiers, ill-trained in police work, going off half-cocked on Iraqi civilians. The odds _against_ that happening are slim and none.
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> \*\*Allow me to give some examples of real strawmen from this very thread.Where the fuck did that come from? Who the hell is talking about “justification” or “butchering innocents”? I didn’t say anything remotely close to that. It’s a straw man. He’s got a twin brother in the same post. That was just low. Show me, shit for brains, where I even came close to insinuating that. I never said anything remotely of the kind, you blind, fetal alcoholic, close minded idiot.
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Easy enough. Anyone denying that the current situation in Iraq is needlessly out of control and that the US is _directly_ responsible for it, is, in my mind, an out of control “patriot” that bought the Party Line.
OTOH, you’ll be pleased to read that the Spanish judge gives you an 8.5 for the vitriol contained in the rest of your post.
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**Ilsa** ,
Get back to me when you’ve done your homework. Whining like a little bitch is quite unbecoming.
Till then, you’re dismissed…
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### Author:  [@wakimika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wakimika)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/85 "2003-10-27T03:21:25Z")
There is nothing like persecution to make a self-perceived persecuted minority feel persecuted.
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### Author:  [@Alan\_Owes\_Bess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Owes_Bess)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/86 "2003-10-27T10:31:37Z")
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> _originally posted by Red Fury_
> at least 7,500 civilian deaths
The site you linked to is an activist group and their statistics have been conjured up out of thin air.
Can you at least provide some official government statistics, whether Iraqi government, USA government or even from some United Nations sponsored inquiry group.
According to the site, “Casualty figures are derived from a comprehensive survey of online media reports and eyewitness accounts.”
Unfortunately, the list of media sources includes the following dishonest publications and sources: -
The Guardian (London)
The Independent (London)
Al Jazeera
Human Rights Watch
Linking to a group of fanatics with a political axe to grind does not provide reliable or credible information so your citation is, essentially, worthless.
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### Author:  [@Lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lola)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/87 "2003-10-27T10:47:14Z")
What’s so “dishonest” about The Independent and The Guardian? Well-respected papers, both of them. I’ve never thought of them as being staffed by “fanatics”!
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### Author:  [@Alan\_Owes\_Bess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Owes_Bess)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/88 "2003-10-27T11:08:55Z")
The “fanatics” comment refers to the creators of the web site.
The Guardian and The Independent are simply newspapers that routinely commit lies of commission or omission. They do this even when they do not hopelessly compromise themselves by stationing reporters and opening offices in the most obnoxious tyrannies, as both papers did in Iraq.
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### Author:  [@Lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lola)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/89 "2003-10-27T11:16:21Z")
Why is it wrong to station reporters in Iraq (or anywhere else for that matter)?
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### Author:  [@Alan\_Owes\_Bess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Owes_Bess)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/90 "2003-10-27T11:34:45Z")
Because once a news organisation stations its reporters in a dictatorship the reporters can only report what has been approved by that dictatorship.
CNN and a number of other news organisations stationed in Iraq admitted as much after Saddam was kicked into oblivion.
They admitted they were lying all the time and claimed they had no other option because their lives were in danger. Weren’t you watching/reading the news once Saddam Hussein disappeared?
Do a simple search yourself. This is supposed to be an “Aldebaran is a mindnumbingly dumb fucking asshole” thread, after all, and he never provides “Cites”.
They are easy to find and I’m going to bed very soon. :o
That’s meant to be a yawn, not embarassment BTW.
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### Author:  [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/91 "2003-10-27T11:59:32Z")
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> \*Originally posted by j66 \*
> But you can be really hard to follow, you know that?
I know. I explained the other members already several times why that is.
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> Look, could you stick to simple (as opposed to compound) sentences? Really.
> You get emotional on emotional topics and (I believe) your first language is inflected. Your vocabulary in English outdistances your grasp of the syntactical subtleties.
I try to be a simple as I can get.
Then I get accusations of being “generalizing”.
And no, I don’t get “emotional” at all. I look at posts on websites like this, and on writings in general, from a very great distance.
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> For example, your last sentance suggests that the people sacrificed are the ones obsessed with war and bloodshed; and the comma after ‘daisy cutter’ throws the whole sentence into a tailspin.
That is possible. My use of this language is in fact the reflection of my thoughts in an other one. Further is my dyslexia an obstacle to coordinate one with an other. I need to do that all the time with other languages, switching between them and also between different lanugage groups.
But here I use one in which I have no background education considering grammar and syntax, and that forms an additional problem.
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> I’m not just nitpicking here; verb, noun and **no clauses!**. At least, use only clearly subordinate ones. Furthermore, there are rules for the use of commas.
See above. I never studied English.
The funny thing is that on this board - and I have the same experience on an other website - some one who said he teached English wrote that I’m “faking” this.
On that other website there was even said I “had to be an American”. It is unbelievable and very amusing at the same time. I have no idea where they are coming from.
Well meant instructions and corrections of my writings are always welcome. Thank you.
Salaam. A
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### Author:  [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/92 "2003-10-27T12:51:55Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Ryan\_Liam \*
> I still stand by my idea that alderbaran and alahakbar are in cahoots and they are the same person.
**Eve** has purposely misattributed a post by **AlahAkbar** to **Aldebaran** and when called on it accused **Aldebaran** of having a created **AlahAkbar** as a sockpuppet. Both are serious infractions of board rules but have not received any response from the mods. What am I missing?
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/93 "2003-10-27T12:58:17Z")
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> _Originally posted by Aldebaran_ -
> \*\*Well meant instructions and corrections of my writings are always welcome. Thank you.
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OK, everything you have ever posted is the product of a diseased hatred of your intellectual and moral superiors.
You’re welcome.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/94 "2003-10-27T13:36:11Z")
Likewise Shodan.
Salaam. A
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### Author:  [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/95 "2003-10-27T13:51:39Z")
All right, people, if you suspect sock puppetry email one or more mods. Don’t post it on the boards.
Lynn
For the Straight Dope
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### Author:  [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/96 "2003-10-27T14:06:54Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Alan Owes Bess \*
> \*\*The Guardian and The Independent are simply newspapers that routinely commit lies of commission or omission. They do this even when they do not hopelessly compromise themselves by stationing reporters and opening offices in the most obnoxious tyrannies, as both papers did in Iraq. \*\*
Does your ass hurt from pulling crap this big out of it? In other words, CITE?
And by that I need you to demonstrate that, say, the Guardian has a history of _routinely_ (which means: as part of their SOP) committing “lies of commission and omission”. _Routinely_, remember - don’t just find one example. Find me a string of samples, spread out over time.
Good fucking luck.
**Aldebaran** , you’ve had a rocky ride so far on this MB. I’m willing to believe your motives are sincere. I also believe you about your English, although it should be stressed that your command of it is just fine. Provided your goal here is to debate about matters like the Iraqi war and ME peace and such, would you say you have a reason to evaluate your posting style? In other words: do you think the way you convey your message has something to do with the hostility you encounter, or are you convinced it’s just because you’re a Muslim, or just because you criticise the USA?
I don’t think it’s a matter of lacking English skills at all. _C’est le ton qui fait la musique_, as some of your countrymen would say.
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### Author:  [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/97 "2003-10-27T14:33:45Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Alan Owes Bess \*
> **Because once a news organisation stations its reporters in a dictatorship the reporters can only report what has been approved by that dictatorship.**
Alan, you appear to be talking complete arse. Contemptible, idiotic, blatantly illogical arse at that.
Let me ask two questions:
1. How do you feel about embedded reporters in allied units. After all, they were governed by very strict guidelines as to what they could report.
2. How do you think news organizations should keep abreast of a country and its situation, other than by placing reporters there?
Oh, and with regards to the Guardian and Independent, whilst I might accuse them of being left-leaning rags, I coud not accuse them of dishonest reporting. Please provide some examples, proving your claim. (ha bloody ha, sod all chance of that)
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### Author:  [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/98 "2003-10-27T15:18:30Z")
Salaam aleikum Coldfire
Well, I’m here to change thoughts about no matter what is interesting to me.
The fact that Iraq and the ME in general is at the focus of most of my postings so far, is because these issues happen to be on the focus everywhere these days.
I asked one of the moderators of GD more then a month ago if is was permitted to post a message explaining my “writing style”.
I gave him example of what I would post, yet didn’t receive an answer. So I take that for a no.
As for your question about the reactions on my posts:(God, can’t we go on in Dutch?)
I guess it is a combination of the factors you gave.
I encounter such reactions on other US based message boards as well, until people get to know me and my writing style. Which includes my direct approach of issues and black and white paintings where some shades and colours would be appreciated.
That has of course to do with my personality yet is also very much influenced by the problem to express myself accurate and clear in this language. And with great lack of time to search all the time in my online dictionary for better words/ways.
And I don’t know if you are familiar with the precious birthgift named dyslexia. I can tell you that it prevents the section of your brain responsible for language skills from adapting lazyness as a lifestyle.
I’m aware of this since my first attempts to write French and Dutch and of course like everybody else developped tricks to deceive it. Yet I’m not always capable to beat twinbrother Dyslex into a well deserved coma. (We don’t speak here about my calculating skill which goes no further then 1+1=3)
So this is also part of my personality-to-be-discovered by the innocent non-warned members of the SDMB.
Salaam. A
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### Author:  [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/99 "2003-10-27T15:24:50Z")
What the FUCK are you talking about?
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### Author:  [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2003, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adebaran-is-still-a-mindumbingly-inane-fucking-asshole/209508/100 "2003-10-27T15:37:56Z")
Ilsa: From where I sit, it’s a rather lame set up for “They’re censoring me!” What do you think?
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