# Admitting When You Are Wrong in Great Debates **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460 "2019-09-18T21:17:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/41 "2019-09-19T15:39:22Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I have absolutely no doubt that there are several people furiously hammering the report button on me at all times, considering the replies I get sometimes. > > It shall be interesting to see what happens with your complaint. As far as I can see I’ve broken no rules and that post is completely relevant to the topic at hand. > > Good luck. You didn’t break any rules, but only because there basically aren’t any in the Pit. However, you did hijack the thread to become about Trump when that is not the topic. You have an extended discussion. And you very clearly post with the intent to piss people off. You constantly talk about how everyone on the SDMB is horrible. And this response here is not the response of a non-troll being accused of trolling. Defiance is not a normal reaction. You’re hated here because you regularly act like an asshole, and treat people like garbage. You provide nothing of value to the board. Hell, now I’m going to have to clean up the nonsensical mess you’ve made that have gotten people to agree to something fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/42 "2019-09-19T15:45:25Z")
No, for fuck’s sake. The context was anti-Nazi protesters being harmed by Nazi violence. Of course Trump would say they weren’t Nazis, because you can’t be publicly seen as defending Nazis. But there would be no way he would have heard about the situation without being told it was about Nazis vs. anti-Nazis. This is also entirely consistent with his actions in many situations, from racist shit he’s said about black people, to making posts that appeal to his Nazi base (like the stuff with Pepe), his appointment of several white nationalist people to places of power, and his own personal philosophy that the Trump are superior due to their genetics. There is no reason to need to go to these absurd lengths to hyperliterally parse his words to figure out what he actually meant. It’s the sort of thing that happens when you like someone and they do something bad: you look for excuses so you can continue liking them. We are in a world of cryptofascists and dogwhistles. When you see someone going hyperliteral, you know they’re trying to pull one over. Don’t fall for the nonsense. Always remember to stay above that level, looking at the bigger picture. Don’t miss the forest for the trees. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/43 "2019-09-19T15:47:11Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > … > We are in a world of cryptofascists and dogwhistles. When you see someone going hyperliteral, you know they’re trying to pull one over. Don’t fall for the nonsense. You’re enabling a troll. Take it to another thread maybe? But stop helping the troll with his masturbation. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/44 "2019-09-19T15:53:15Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Defiance is not a normal reaction. So you want me to lick your fuckin’ boots & beg for forgiveness because my precious little words make a few of you rage out? Get fucked. EDIT: lilT up there just added a second wall of text to the “hijack” that no doubt will somehow be my fault. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/45 "2019-09-19T17:38:58Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > No it shouldn’t. Just saying “No it [isn’t]” isn’t an argument. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/46 "2019-09-19T17:39:57Z")
You’re right. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/47 "2019-09-19T17:47:13Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Great example of this (in the pit but no doubt said everywhere else)i had recently was that “Donald Trump said Nazis were very fine people!” > > No, no he didn’t. No, he didn’t even imply it. You can post the entire transcript of the statement where he never says it and people will STILL say he said it, being completely wrong and knowing it. > > People who like to talk politics are tribal, and just like their favorite politicians it’s all about twisting and bending and lying. You know what you call a march of ten proud neo-Nazis and ten people joining in with them? A twenty person neo-Nazi march. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/48 "2019-09-19T17:48:10Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I always thought that the standard way to admit error was to drop the subject and never speak if it again, abandoning the entire thread if necessary. That is internet debate 101.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/49 "2019-09-19T17:48:26Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Hell, now I’m going to have to clean up the nonsensical mess you’ve made that have gotten people to agree to something fucking stupid. You? What are going to clean up? Did they make you a mod and not send me the memo? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/50 "2019-09-19T17:48:38Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > You’re right. No I’m not! wait, i might be doing it wrong. also, why isn’t there a “thinking” smilie??? ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/51 "2019-09-19T17:51:48Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Just saying “No it [isn’t]” isn’t an argument. Yes it is! ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/52 "2019-09-19T17:52:28Z")
> [@Daylate](#): > > No married man will survive very long by insisting that he is NEVER wrong. > > Sixty plus years of experience are behind that statement. And the moment that you discover that you are the one who is right, you should apologize immediately and end the argument, before she also realizes that you are right. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/53 "2019-09-19T17:54:40Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > You are a complete asshole for hijacking this thread. It is possibly clueless but likely trolling. I am reporting this post by the way as trolling. Let the mods decide what to do with a little shitstain like you. At least he and his gang didn’t hijack a thread or 40 with plagiarized recipes. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/54 "2019-09-19T17:56:34Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > Yes it is! No it isn’t! ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/55 "2019-09-19T18:00:08Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > At least he and his gang didn’t hijack a thread or 40 with plagiarized recipes. Easy grilled octopus INGREDIENTS 2 pounds fresh octopus — (baby, medium or large) olive oil 2 garlic cloves — , roughly chopped Juice from 1 lemon salt and pepper to taste 1/2 tsp dried oregano 2 tsp chopped fresh parsley INSTRUCTIONS Place octopus in a pot and cover with enough water. Bring to a boil. Boil for 40 minutes. Remove octopus from hot water, rinse and place in a bowl. Drizzle with olive oil and add chopped garlic. Let is cool and rest at room temperature, for 30 minutes to 1 hour. Preheat a gas grill to medium-high heat. Slice octopus tentacles. Grill for 3-4 minutes per side, until charred. Remove from heat and place in a bowl. Drizzle with olive oil and add lemon juice. Season with salt and pepper. Sprinkle some oregano (optional) and parsley on top. You can also add some chopped garlic, too (optional). Serve. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/56 "2019-09-19T18:02:58Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Easy grilled octopus > > INGREDIENTS > 2 pounds fresh octopus — (baby, medium or large) > olive oil > 2 garlic cloves — , roughly chopped > Juice from 1 lemon > salt and pepper to taste > 1/2 tsp dried oregano > 2 tsp chopped fresh parsley > > INSTRUCTIONS > Place octopus in a pot and cover with enough water. Bring to a boil. Boil for 40 minutes. > Remove octopus from hot water, rinse and place in a bowl. Drizzle with olive oil and add chopped garlic. Let is cool and rest at room temperature, for 30 minutes to 1 hour. > Preheat a gas grill to medium-high heat. > Slice octopus tentacles. Grill for 3-4 minutes per side, until charred. > Remove from heat and place in a bowl. > Drizzle with olive oil and add lemon juice. Season with salt and pepper. Sprinkle some oregano (optional) and parsley on top. You can also add some chopped garlic, too (optional). > Serve. That’s horrifying. ☹ Octopuses, whales, monkeys, people should be on the do not eat list. It’s just not right. Now that recipe sounds good for some other fish. So thanks for that. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/57 "2019-09-19T18:29:01Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > At least he and his gang didn’t hijack a thread or 40 with plagiarized recipes. \*Plagiarized \*recipes? Where do you find recipes that aren’t meant to be shared? ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/58 "2019-09-19T19:27:34Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > \*Plagiarized \*recipes? Where do you find recipes that aren’t meant to be shared? Bar-B-Que cooking shows. Every two-bit pork purveyor you’ve ever seen on one of these makes some dumb-ass joke about how if they show their recipes with their _oh-so-secret_ ingredients, they’ll have to kill you. God, I hate those guys. :eek:🙂 But that’s another thread… ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/59 "2019-09-19T19:51:09Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > \*Plagiarized \*recipes? Where do you find recipes that aren’t meant to be shared? > **[Recipes, Copyright and Plagiarism - Plagiarism Today](https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2015/03/24/recipes-copyright-and-plagiarism/)** > > Recipes have a history of being shared without a thought to attribution, but the rise of celebrity chefs is changing that, making recipe plagiarism a problem. Lists are one thing but the directions are another. Now, in the spirit of this thread, I am willing to admit I might be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460/60 "2019-09-19T20:04:54Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > [Recipes, Copyright and Plagiarism - Plagiarism Today](https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2015/03/24/recipes-copyright-and-plagiarism/) > > Lists are one thing but the directions are another. Now, in the spirit of this thread, I am willing to admit I might be wrong. And in the spirit of brotherhood and this thread, I too am willing to admit you might be wrong. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/admitting-when-you-are-wrong-in-great-debates/840460.md?page=4)