# Adolf Hitler didn't use chemical weapons?! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 11, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254 "2017-04-11T18:16:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/1 "2017-04-11T18:16:35Z")
What the Hell do you call Zyklon B Mr Spicer? Fuck you and channeling Bannon. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/2 "2017-04-11T18:19:05Z")
The Germans are not known to have made battlefield use of chemical weapons. ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/3 "2017-04-11T18:26:57Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > What the Hell do you call Zyklon B Mr Spicer? Fuck you and channeling Bannon. 1. Context? What did Bannon say, in what context? 2. “Chemical weapons” usually refers to the Geneva convention, so mustard gas and similar that was used in WWI. The Wehrmacht (German Army) didn’t use it against the official soldiers of the countries they were at war with. Partly usually attributed because Hitler experienced the Terror of Gas attack himself during WWI, and partly because most of the Generals and high-rankers in the Army knew from WWI how quickly the wind could turn (literally and figurativly) and that the return from the Allies would probably be worse for their own soldiers. Did the Nazis use Zyklon B against People in the concentration camps? Yes, without doubt. But These were their own civilians, or civilians from conquered nations (polish Jews, People living in Exile in France when it fell…) not active enemy soldiers. Did the Wehrmacht Experiment with chemicals and give amphethamines to their own soldiers to enable partly the Speed of Blitzkrieg, first without knowing, then without caring, about the aftereffects of the Crash and the addiction? From the evidence known today, yes, but that doesn’t Count as chemical weapon against enemy soldiers. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/4 "2017-04-11T18:38:31Z")
Never Mind - **constanze** nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/5 "2017-04-11T18:48:25Z")
So we all acknowledge that both dictators used nerve gas on civilians, the distinction being that Assad theoretically allowed his victims to try to run away. You posters trying to cover for Spicer trying to make this obscene distinction are missing the point: the degree to which Trump’s people will say fucking anything to try to make their point is disgraceful. The fact that a White House spokesman will Godwinize his own press briefing, and still fuck it up, is a hideous embarrassment. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/6 "2017-04-11T18:51:03Z")
> [@constanze](#): > > 1. Context? What did Bannon say, in what context? > > 2. “Chemical weapons” usually refers to the Geneva convention, so mustard gas and similar that was used in WWI. The Wehrmacht (German Army) didn’t use it against the official soldiers of the countries they were at war with. > > Partly usually attributed because Hitler experienced the Terror of Gas attack himself during WWI, and partly because most of the Generals and high-rankers in the Army knew from WWI how quickly the wind could turn (literally and figurativly) and that the return from the Allies would probably be worse for their own soldiers. > > Did the Nazis use Zyklon B against People in the concentration camps? Yes, without doubt. But These were their own civilians, or civilians from conquered nations (polish Jews, People living in Exile in France when it fell…) not active enemy soldiers. > > Did the Wehrmacht Experiment with chemicals and give amphethamines to their own soldiers to enable partly the Speed of Blitzkrieg, first without knowing, then without caring, about the aftereffects of the Crash and the addiction? From the evidence known today, yes, but that doesn’t Count as chemical weapon against enemy soldiers. What about the use of gas against the Russians holed up in the tunnels of Adzhimuskai? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/7 "2017-04-11T18:57:14Z")
Did Sean Spicer just call concentration camps “Holocaust centers”? What the Jesus…? ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/8 "2017-04-11T18:58:04Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > So we all acknowledge that both dictators used nerve gas on civilians, the distinction being that Assad theoretically allowed his victims to try to run away. 1. I still don’t know the context of what Bannon said about Hitler. 2. Anybody using Hitler as excuse on technical Details is by non-Extremist People usually considered to have disqualified themselves. 3. Non-Extremist People agree that the Nazis were bad for many reasons; using Nerve Gas was one the reasons. Using Nerve Gas is not wrong because the Nazis did it, it’s wrong in General, no matter who does it. Assad using Nerve Gas is wrong. Trump using the latest of many attacks as justification for bombing is however also wrong, because there is no plan at all (if Assad would topple). The time to bomb and stop Assad from killing and torturing his Population would have been 6 years ago when the civil war started, and the moderate Opposition was still strong- but even then experts warned that (similar to Libya) a faction of many different Opposition Groups was no guarantee of a working state after the overthrow, and as both Iraq and Libya had shown at that Point, a failed state is at least as bad for the civilians as an oppressive dictator. Today, however, not only have millions of civilians fled, thousands of People died, thousands been enslaved by ISIS, and thousands of moderate rebels been killed by ISIS and Al-Quaeda joing the fight, making the Chance of a working non-dictatorship after the overthrow of Assad very unlikely. The civilians would be off worse under ISIS than under Assad, as bad as he is. (Evil, but lesser evil) > [@](#): > > You posters trying to cover for Spicer trying to make this obscene distinction are missing the point: the degree to which Trump’s people will say fucking anything to try to make their point is disgraceful. The fact that a White House spokesman will Godwinize his own press briefing, and still fuck it up, is a hideous embarrassment. Godwin’s Law is not a disqualifier. It’s simply an Observation, and in many instances, comparision to what tactics were used by populists to gain power through the back door or used Salami tactics to push through legislation are relevant to the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/9 "2017-04-11T19:05:03Z")
They may need Kelly Anne Goebbels to spin this one for them. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/10 "2017-04-11T19:17:30Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > The Germans are not known to have made battlefield use of chemical weapons. But Spicer’s figure of speech is about as graceful as United’s method of ensuring its air crews make it to work. Hey, Hitler only used gas in the death camps! (I remember JFK’s press conferences. He was the first President to have them broadcast–and he did them quite often, since he was telegenic & quick witted. The press corps would gather in a crowd, yelling questions & he’d answer with a smile. Of course Trump is utterly unable to communicate at that level. But why can’t he\* hire\* someone capable of communication?) ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/11 "2017-04-11T19:20:22Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > But Spicer’s figure of speech is about as graceful as United’s method of ensuring its air crews make it to work. Hey, Hitler only used gas in the death camps! > > (I remember JFK’s press conferences. He was the first President to have them broadcast–and he did them quite often, since he was telegenic & quick witted. The press corps would gather in a crowd, yelling questions & he’d answer with a smile. Of course Trump is utterly unable to communicate at that level. But why can’t he\* hire\* someone capable of communication?) Maybe he can get Melissa McCarthy to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/12 "2017-04-11T19:27:44Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Hitler only used gas in the death camps! [That’s not quite correct.](https://books.google.com/books?id=5glDKQEV0CMC&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=Adzhimuskai&source=bl&ots=xvm-9Q7_4b&sig=duWm-H_FNlWwJHXF-TzuL__FQUU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjX_IDMkJ3TAhUHeCYKHSqpDPwQ6AEIMDAE#v=onepage&q=%22poison%20gas%22%20Adzhimuskai&f=false) ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/13 "2017-04-11T19:29:23Z")
[QUOTE=McSpicer] I think when you come to sarin gas, [Hitler] was not using the gas on his own people the same way that Assad is doing, there was not in the — he brought them into the Holocaust center. … But I’m saying that in the way that Assad used them, where he went into towns, dropped them down into **innocent** — into the middle of towns. [/QUOTE] Spicer’s “oh shit” moment on the bolded word, where he realized he was about to blow the dog whistle a little too loud. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/14 "2017-04-11T19:34:09Z")
Does Sean Spicer not know about concentration camps and death camps? What the hell are “Holocaust centers”? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/15 "2017-04-11T19:34:49Z")
> [@constanze](#): > > 1. I still don’t know the context of what Bannon said about Hitler. > > 2. Anybody using Hitler as excuse on technical Details is by non-Extremist People usually considered to have disqualified themselves. > > 3. Non-Extremist People agree that the Nazis were bad for many reasons; using Nerve Gas was one the reasons. > Using Nerve Gas is not wrong because the Nazis did it, it’s wrong in General, no matter who does it. > > Assad using Nerve Gas is wrong. Trump using the latest of many attacks as justification for bombing is however also wrong, because there is no plan at all (if Assad would topple). > > The time to bomb and stop Assad from killing and torturing his Population would have been 6 years ago when the civil war started, and the moderate Opposition was still strong- but even then experts warned that (similar to Libya) a faction of many different Opposition Groups was no guarantee of a working state after the overthrow, and as both Iraq and Libya had shown at that Point, a failed state is at least as bad for the civilians as an oppressive dictator. > Today, however, not only have millions of civilians fled, thousands of People died, thousands been enslaved by ISIS, and thousands of moderate rebels been killed by ISIS and Al-Quaeda joing the fight, making the Chance of a working non-dictatorship after the overthrow of Assad very unlikely. The civilians would be off worse under ISIS than under Assad, as bad as he is. (Evil, but lesser evil) > > Godwin’s Law is not a disqualifier. It’s simply an Observation, and in many instances, comparision to what tactics were used by populists to gain power through the back door or used Salami tactics to push through legislation are relevant to the discussion. There ought to be an Internet law that when discussing a straightforward topic, the use of too many words can only be attributed to: 1. Total bullshit, or 2. Distinctions that nobody cares about. I think you’re in the second category, but I’m zoning out while reading your posts. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/16 "2017-04-11T19:35:41Z")
Spicer needs to be reaccommodated. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/17 "2017-04-11T19:41:20Z")
Flushed down the accomode. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/18 "2017-04-11T19:41:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Does Sean Spicer not know about concentration camps and death camps? What the hell are “Holocaust centers”? How often did he use that phrase? If he only said it once I would accept incompetence – after all he is a spokesperson, but to be fair I think that some of the concentration/death camps today _are_ the eastern European equivalent of “Holocaust centers” here in America in that they have interpretive information about what happened there. Now, if he consistently used that term, then he either truly doesn’t know what they were called or is spinning for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/19 "2017-04-11T19:47:15Z")
At least he didn’t say it on Passover. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254/20 "2017-04-11T19:48:05Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > How often did he use that phrase? If he only said it once I would accept incompetence – after all he is a spokesperson, but to be fair I think that some of the concentration/death camps today _are_ the eastern European equivalent of “Holocaust centers” here in America in that they have interpretive information about what happened there. Now, if he consistently used that term, then he either truly doesn’t know what they were called or is spinning for some reason. I was thinking it sounded like what’s there now in many cases - educational / historical centers on the location of the concentration camps. I only saw him say it the one time- possibly just fumbling for “what’s it called again, …those places where so many people died…um, Holocaust Centers…” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adolf-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/784254.md?page=2)