# Adoption: Why say Mom and Dad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 19, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adoption-why-say-mom-and-dad/525506 "2010-01-19T02:33:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adoption-why-say-mom-and-dad/525506/421 "2010-01-23T21:23:32Z")
Revised theory. **ZPG Zealot** grew up in a Brave New World esque society–the kind of place where words like “family” or “mother” and “father” are Bad Words and children are to be conditioned, not raised. Hey, I may sound crazy but you won’t think so when you see the Henry Ford shrine in her closet. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adoption-why-say-mom-and-dad/525506/422 "2010-01-23T21:25:27Z")
At the very least, she could have used more hugs. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adoption-why-say-mom-and-dad/525506/423 "2010-01-23T21:29:00Z")
The **ZPG Zealot** school of thought is that we teach children to rely upon the hug within, as well as the bottle within, and the pacifier within. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2010, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adoption-why-say-mom-and-dad/525506/424 "2010-01-23T21:33:53Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > You are not raising a child when you give him or her unconditional love. you are creating a sociopath. This is highly ironic from someone who has advocated infanticide, is it not? > [@](#): > > How can that possibly not be more noble than someone who will only take a child, if they get to use the titles of mothers and fathers? Once again, nobody adopts under those conditions. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adoption-why-say-mom-and-dad/525506/425 "2010-01-23T21:34:02Z")
> [@Freudian Slit](#): > > The ZPG Zealot school of thought is that we teach children to rely upon the hug within, as well as the bottle within, and the pacifier within. All of which can be found only by embracing the blood that they share with their birth parents, I’m guessing? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2010, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adoption-why-say-mom-and-dad/525506/426 "2010-01-23T21:54:46Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > You are not raising a child when you give him or her unconditional love. you are creating a sociopath. Are you perhaps confusing the concept of “unconditional love” for that of “unconditional approval?” ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2010, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adoption-why-say-mom-and-dad/525506/427 "2010-01-23T23:03:42Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > May I make a request that we get off the gypsy thing. I don’t know that this is the culture ZPG is from (maybe, maybe not), but my background IS Rom - and I am not a backwards fortune telling wise woman who is anti adoption. Yes, but her viewpoints sound very much like traditional old-world gypsy viewpoints. Maybe we should assume that we’re implying “old world” gypsy views as opposed to “of gypsy descent”. After all, there are many evangelical Christians who don’t believe in stoning loose women, but we would still refer to that belief as an evangelical Christian one and to people who believe in it as evangelical Christians. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2010, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adoption-why-say-mom-and-dad/525506/428 "2010-01-23T23:30:18Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Yes, but her viewpoints sound very much like traditional old-world gypsy viewpoints. Maybe we should assume that we’re implying “old world” gypsy views as opposed to “of gypsy descent”. After all, there are many evangelical Christians who don’t believe in stoning loose women, but we would still refer to that belief as an evangelical Christian one and to people who believe in it as evangelical Christians. Maybe instead we should stop generalizing about a group of people - be they adoptive parents or “gypsies” (generally considered an offensive term, btw) or evangelicals. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adoption-why-say-mom-and-dad/525506/429 "2010-01-24T00:28:26Z")
Long enough. This is pointless. **ZPG Zealot** , you have had ample time to explain your position, even after being told explicitly that you needed to explain yourself . Instead, you have refused to explain anything while launching more attacks on other people with a misuse of words like “lies” and “unconditional love” and any number of other phrases, giving them meanings that have no connection to the ways that such words are actually employed in the English speaking world, (or their translations anywhere else in the world). This is simply a never ending merry-go-round and the paint is beginning to flake off the carousel horses. It ends, here. If you wish to post on this topic in the future, be prepared to explain your position or do not post. Closed. [/Moderating] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adoption-why-say-mom-and-dad/525506.md?page=21)