# Adult bicyclists: get off the damn sidewalk! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 16, 2007, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118 "2007-03-16T01:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/361 "2007-03-23T19:31:37Z")
[QUOTE=cowgirl] The problem is, if you rode like that in this city, you would pretty much be riding at walking speed anyway. It is far more likely that people ride on the sidewalk without meeting those conditions, thus making the sidewalk more dangerous for everyone. If I was a lawmaker I would prohibit sidewalk riding for exactly that reason. There are simply too many pedestrians, driveways, intersections, fences, hedges, etc for it to be remotely practical to ride on the sidewalk. [/QUOTE] It’s not a black & white issue but rather depends on the sidewalk. The 2½-or-so mile stretch of the W&OD trail that’s on a sidewalk crosses no driveways, has few fences, and most intersections are marked with a little stop sign. That route also crosses a pedestrian bridge at a couple of points. ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/362 "2007-03-23T19:42:35Z")
[QUOTE=Lute Skywatcher] It’s in the link I provided earlier. [/quote] No, it’s not. > [@](#): > > This trail has existed since 1974, during which time there has been 0 fatalities in the 2½-or-so mile section that I know uses a sidewalk. As usual, your logic is suspect. According to your link, there have only been 5 fatalities since 1974. The trail is 45 MILES LONG, and you’re trying to conclude that since no fatality has happened on a 2.5 mile stretch, that it’s safer on that 2.5 mile segment? Surely you can see how ludicrous that is. There are MULTIPLE 2.5 mile segments that are NOT sidewalks which ALSO have had 0 fatalities. You are engaging in the “small sample” logical fallacy. That’s lame, even for you. > [@](#): > > Then don’t go besmirching my right to ride on the sidewalk. 😉 “If you follow the rules you’ll be fine” applies everywhere. It’s still safer to ride in the street. I’ll besmirch all I like, and twice on Tuesday. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/363 "2007-03-23T19:46:20Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass] As usual, your logic is suspect. According to your link, there have only been 5 fatalities since 1974. The trail is 45 MILES LONG, and you’re trying to conclude that since no fatality has happened on a 2.5 mile stretch, that it’s safer on that 2.5 mile segment? [/QUOTE] No, I’m concluding that the sidewalk itself is not as dangerous as you’re trying to make it out to be. Slight difference there. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/364 "2007-03-23T19:55:12Z")
Maybe I’m being too cryptic or something. Try this: riding on _any_ surface is equally dangerous if one doesn’t follow the rules. ---
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/365 "2007-03-23T20:15:59Z")
[QUOTE=Lute Skywatcher] Maybe I’m being too cryptic or something. Try this: riding on _any_ surface is equally dangerous if one doesn’t follow the rules. [/QUOTE] I mostly agree with you, but I disagree with this. Let’s say I ride equally dangerously on the road and on the sidewalk. If I ride on the road, I am riding dangerously in a place where drivers and pedestrians and other cyclists expect me to be. So even if I am a total maniac, if they are driving safely they will mostly be able to take evasive action where necessary. If I ride on the sidewalk, I am doing so in a place where they do NOT expect me to be. It is harder for them to avoid me simply because they don’t expect me to be there. And the nature of bike-on-the-sidewalk accidents (i.e. bike entering intersection sooner than car is looking for bike-speed traffic) means there is way less time for the driver to react. (Of course, this is slightly different in cases where the bike lane is actually on the sidewalk. But it is my suspicion that since these are so rare, drivers are still regularly surprised by cyclists riding properly on sidewalk-bike lanes. Note that this has not been demonstrated in this thread yet either way.) ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/366 "2007-03-23T20:20:09Z")
[QUOTE=Lute Skywatcher] No, I’m concluding that the sidewalk itself is not as dangerous as you’re trying to make it out to be. Slight difference there. [/QUOTE] The evidence you have presented does not support that conclusion. All I have said is that the street is less dangerous than the sidewalk. You have not demonstrated otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/367 "2007-03-23T20:22:50Z")
[QUOTE=cowgirl] IIf I ride on the road, I am riding dangerously in a place where drivers and pedestrians and other cyclists expect me to be. So even if I am a total maniac, if they are driving safely they will mostly be able to take evasive action where necessary. If I ride on the sidewalk, I am doing so in a place where they do NOT expect me to be. It is harder for them to avoid me simply because they don’t expect me to be there. And the nature of bike-on-the-sidewalk accidents (i.e. bike entering intersection sooner than car is looking for bike-speed traffic) means there is way less time for the driver to react. [/QUOTE] Eep. Quite right; apparently I oversimplified my position. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/368 "2007-03-23T20:26:11Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass] The evidence you have presented does not support that conclusion. All I have said is that the street is less dangerous than the sidewalk. [/QUOTE] And I’m saying that it’s not the sidewalk itself that is more dangerous but rather those who don’t know how (care?) to behave on one. You illustrated that yourself a few posts up. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/369 "2007-03-23T23:16:05Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass] Please find any quote from me where I explicitly said that _you_ ever mentioned alternate routes. You can’t just ignore issues that you don’t want to be pinned down on. [/quote] Yes, I can. A single thread often discusses a number of related issues. It’s quite legitimate to participate in a thread to discuss one or two of those issues, and not take a stand on the others. You had plenty of time to raise the ‘alternate route’ stuff as a problem with my argument, long before the point where you did. To not do so for pages and pages of thread, then accuse me of ‘gaming’ you (@290) because I didn’t address it, is bullshit. If that’s how you’re going to play, then may a touring bike’s handlebars find their way up your rectum. > [@](#): > > My opinion as to whether one should ride a bike on a particular road is entirely dependent on the availability of a safer alternative. I’m sure you would consider it quite convenient if you could disallow me from saying so, but as they say - you’re not the boss of me. I’m NOT the boss of you. And you, of your own volition, failed to raise that issue with me, except to claim I’d been gaming you by not addressing it. At which point I expressed considerable puzzlement. If you don’t say something to me, you have no reasonable expectation that I’ve heard it. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/370 "2007-03-23T23:34:21Z")
[QUOTE=scr4] What if someone said to a young woman: “You shouldn’t wear makeup and nice dresses in this town. Very few people here do. I can resist the temptation to rape you, but it just takes one horny guy.” Would you say that’s a reasonable advice? Or would you say it’s misguided attempt to blame the victim? [/QUOTE] Let’s try something more reasonable. Like: “you’re legally entitled to walk down C Street SE (D.C.) east of the Anacostia at 11pm on a Saturday night, but it would be a pretty stupid and dangerous thing to do.” ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/371 "2007-03-24T07:24:13Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Yes, I can. A single thread often discusses a number of related issues. [/quote] I see you couldn’t come up with a quote of me saying you even mentioned alternate routes. So your ranting about how you never said it makes no sense. > [@](#): > > It’s quite legitimate to participate in a thread to discuss one or two of those issues, and not take a stand on the others. Not when you jump in on my argument with catsix and take catsix’s side even though you hold a different position. > [@](#): > > And you, of your own volition, failed to raise that issue with me, except to claim I’d been gaming you by not addressing it. At which point I expressed considerable puzzlement. > > If you don’t say something to me, you have no reasonable expectation that I’ve heard it. No, no, no. You’re fixating on the words “alternate route”, which is not the point. ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/372 "2007-03-24T07:29:01Z")
This is what catsix said: > [@](#): > > The speed limit is set at 50 mph because the state has determined that it is safe to travel that road at 50 mph. Some self-entitled asshole on a bike who can’t even manage 5 mph up that hill is not ‘reminding’ me to drive at a ‘safe speed’. They’re creating a hazard by being on that road traveling significantly slower than all of the traffic on it. If you’re taking 10 minutes to climb a half mile long hill, that’s 1 mile every 20 minutes or 3 miles an hour. And some of these bike riders are going slower than that. I disagreed with a number of catsix’s assertions, one of which being that it’s safe to travel 50 mph simply because that’s the speed limit: > [@](#): > > Me: I’m sorry, but this is a bullshit response. You may NEVER drive so fast that you do not allow yourself time to react to hazards in the road. You don’t blow through a blind curve too fast because “that’s the speed limit”. Where’d you learn to drive, the back of a matchbook? Another being the contention that bicycles must pull off the road when a car is behind them: > [@](#): > > Me: What state are you in? I’ll look up your vehicle code. In my state, bicycles are simply required to ride as far to the right as practicable. Motorists are able to pass them on the left with very little whining and complaining. With me so far? Good. ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/373 "2007-03-24T07:31:19Z")
Now here’s where you first start misrepreseting catsix’s position: Catsix said: > [@](#): > > I’m in Pennsylvania. The state manual provided by the DOT for driver training says that if you are traveling significantly slower than the flow of traffic on a two-lane road, you should pull over as soon as it is practical and safe and let traffic pass. and I said: > [@](#): > > I quoted the actual vehicle code. Vehicle code trumps driver training pamphlets. In RESPONSE to me, you said: > [@](#): > > The main thing catsix seems to be citing is the real-life condition of many rural roads, and the real-life behavior of many who drive them. Clearly wrong. Catsix was citing a written manual, not “real-life conditions”. You jumped in on the argument with a strawman position. But I tried to address your argument anyway: > [@me](#): > > Well I would agree that if a reasonable alternative exists, that it’s better to choose the safer of two roads. For example, I will choose a more residential street as opposed to biking down the main boulevard if I can. I’m trying there to agree with you that in “real-life conditions” a bike rider should try to be safe. (Even though that wasn’t the jist of my exchange with catsix at all.) I _add_ my own opinion that it’s contingent on having an alternate route (since otherwise this would render the alternative to be staying home.) But that is in no way the crux of the argument. Later, I argue that sharing a road with a bicycle is a commonplace event and no cause for concern. You respond: > [@](#): > > In many places, it’s quite common. But there are still roads where bicycling is legal, but a bicycle on those roads is an extremely rare event. > > The relevant question is, how commonplace is it to the person driving the road in question? If it’s something he never experiences on that road, then he’s not going to be looking for it, and it won’t really matter how commonplace it might be in Davis, CA. And I respond: > [@me](#): > > Why is that relevant? Should a driver be excused from being prepared to deal with whatever conditions might be present because a particular condition is rare? We rarely have hailstorms where I live, but on the 2 times in the last 5 years that we did, I still knew how to react. And you say: > [@](#): > > No, a driver should not be excused from not being ready for whatever might happen on the roads. > > But I live in the D.C. exurbs these days, and this area is famous for drivers not knowing how to handle sloppy winter weather, despite its happening every fucking year. > > The fact is that, as a bicycle rider, there are places where I can’t count on cars being ready for me, no matter what the requirement. If I get crunched by a car on a road such as catsix and I are talking about, and my estate nails the driver for a hefty sum in a civil suit, that won’t exactly bring me back to life, but the driver will be held responsible. So again, whereas catsix had clearly made claims that bicyclists who can only go 5 mph in a 50 zone are “self-entitled assholes” who are “creating a hazard” and don’t belong on the road, YOU argue that _car drivers_ are creating the hazard because they don’t know “how to handle sloppy weather”. Do you see that you and catsix are making different arguments, yet you pretend to have the same point? You see, I AGREED with you that as a matter of prudence, it’s wise to avoid dangerous roads on your bike. And THAT’S why I said: > [@](#): > > I **feel** like you guys are gaming me here. I said I FELT like you guys were gaming me because you and catsix were making what I consider to be VERY DIFFERENT points, yet alternately jumping in on my responses to the other as though you share the same point. I didn’t “accuse” you of gaming me; I said I felt like you were doing it. I don’t think you deliberately collabarated or anything. I don’t know where you’re getting this idea that it’s because “you didn’t mention alternate routes”. That makes no sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/374 "2007-03-24T13:52:39Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass] I see you couldn’t come up with a quote of me saying you even mentioned alternate routes. So your ranting about how you never said it makes no sense. [/quote] Logic! What _are_ they teaching them in those schools these days? Of _course_ I can’t come up with a quote of you saying I mentioned alternate routes. I didn’t mention them, you didn’t mention them to me, _and then, @290, **you accused me of gaming you because I hadn’t mentioned them** _. > [@](#): > > Not when you jump in on my argument with catsix and take catsix’s side even though you hold a different position. Our positions do differ in some particulars, even though we’re for the most part arguing the same side. So?? That goes on all the time around here. And IRL. You know that a lot of people are against the Iraq war, but their reasons aren’t all exactly the same? Same here. Omigosh golly. > [@](#): > > No, no, no. You’re fixating on the words “alternate route”, which is not the point. Damned if I can tell what the point is; your ‘point’ seems to change with great frequency. I don’t give a flip about alternate routes; I’m just pointing out that your claim that I gamed you by _not_ addressing the ‘alternate route’ sub-issue is bullshit. [QUOTE=lowbrass] Now here’s where you first start misrepreseting catsix’s position: [/quote] I’m not even going to bother with this nonsense unless you provide post numbers. This thread is eight freakin’ pages long, and I’m not going to traverse its length and breadth to unravel your bullshit unless you give specific posts. One more thing though: > [@](#): > > I didn’t “accuse” you of gaming me; I said I felt like you were doing it. I don’t think you deliberately collabarated or anything. > > I don’t know where you’re getting this idea that it’s because “you didn’t mention alternate routes”. That makes no sense to me. You might go back to post #290, and read your next sentence after you say you feel I’m gaming you. If you’re that deliberately obtuse, I think it’s time for me to buy back my introduction to you. ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/375 "2007-03-24T19:17:49Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Logic! What _are_ they teaching them in those schools these days? [/quote] Judging by you, I shudder to think. > [@](#): > > Of _course_ I can’t come up with a quote of you saying I mentioned alternate routes. I didn’t mention them, you didn’t mention them to me, _and then, @290, **you accused me of gaming you because I hadn’t mentioned them** _. Do me a favor. Go to your precious “post #190” and find the words “because you didn’t mention alternate routes”. They aren’t there. I have no idea what the fuck you think you’re talking about. Sheesh, I spent a lot of time explaining this in my last post, and you obviously didn’t even read it. > [@](#): > > So?? That goes on all the time around here. And IRL. The fact that it goes on doesn’t mean it’s not disingenuous. > [@](#): > > You know that a lot of people are against the Iraq war, but their reasons aren’t all exactly the same? Same here. Omigosh golly. But they don’t normally jump in on arguments with another person as though they hold the same position. Omigosh golly yourself, asshole. > [@](#): > > Damned if I can tell what the point is; your ‘point’ seems to change with great frequency. I think your lack of reading comprehension is the problem. > [@](#): > > I don’t give a flip about alternate routes; I’m just pointing out that your claim that I gamed you by _not_ addressing the ‘alternate route’ sub-issue is bullshit. I did not claim that you gamed me “by not addressing the alternate route issue”. Seriously, dude - learn how to FUCKING READ. > [@](#): > > I’m not even going to bother with this nonsense unless you provide post numbers. This thread is eight freakin’ pages long, and I’m not going to traverse its length and breadth to unravel your bullshit unless you give specific posts. I wasted a LOT of time trying to explain this to you. If you’re that fucking stupid, I’m not wasting another second. You’re just too lazy to read what I wrote. Those are all legitimate quotes. If you had actually been _following_ this thread in the first place, you’d know the jist of it anyway. You obviously don’t. > [@](#): > > One more thing though: > You might go back to post #290, and read your next sentence after you say you feel I’m gaming you. O.K., it’s quite obvious now that you didn’t read my last post AT ALL. I’m sick of your games; get back to me when you can form a coherent and consistent point. ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/376 "2007-03-24T19:27:33Z")
Tell ya’ what. Here’s a summary for dummies: 1. Catsix said bicyclists who can only ride 5 mph in a 50 zone with blind curves are “self-entitled assholes” who are creating a danger and don’t belong on the road. 2. RTFirefly said that _as a bicyclist_, one should choose not to take a road if the _car drivers_ are creating a danger. 3. (1) and (2) are not the same argument. 4. Lowbrass agrees with RTFirefly’s point of view to a certain extent, but does not agree with catsix’s view AT ALL. 5. Lowbrass said he FELT like Catsix and RTFirefly were “gaming him” because they each jumped in on lowbrass’ exchanges with the other, even though catsix and RT argued a different point of view. 6. The words “alternate route” have nothing to do with this. If you can’t read and comprehend that, I’m through with ya’. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/377 "2007-03-24T23:28:12Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass] Tell ya’ what. Here’s a summary for dummies: [/quote] Good. Maybe you can understand what you’re saying, for once. I’m not counting on your understanding the reply, even if I use small words. > [@](#): > > 1. Catsix said bicyclists who can only ride 5 mph in a 50 zone with blind curves are “self-entitled assholes” who are creating a danger and don’t belong on the road. > > 2. RTFirefly said that _as a bicyclist_, one should choose not to take a road if the _car drivers_ are creating a danger. > > 3. (1) and (2) are not the same argument. You’re right: I didn’t agree with the “self-entitled assholes” part. Just that such cyclists are creating a danger, and don’t belong on the sorts of roads we clearly both had in mind. Not exactitude, but close enough to jump in on the same side. If you have a problem with that, you should find yourself another board, where everyone’s as dumb as you are. You can communicate in grunts transmittted by .wav files. > [@](#): > > 1. Lowbrass agrees with RTFirefly’s point of view to a certain extent, but does not agree with catsix’s view AT ALL. That would be rather tricky, given that the main difference between my position and **catsix** ’ was the ‘self-entitled assholes’ descriptor. Plus the one time you conveyed a hint at agreement, it lasted for about one post. > [@](#): > > 1. Lowbrass said he FELT like Catsix and RTFirefly were “gaming him” because they each jumped in on lowbrass’ exchanges with the other, even though catsix and RT argued a different point of view. I’ve responded to exactly **two** of your posts, AFAICT, that weren’t responses to mine. And only one of those posts of yours was a response to **catsix** ; the other was a reply to **Lute**. Not that it matters. Anyone can reply to any post. If you want a private conversation, this board allows for private messages. You really should reconsider whether you belong on this board, if Poster Y’s replying to your response to Poster X sets you off. Because it’s the norm here. > [@](#): > > 1. The words “alternate route” have nothing to do with this. Good. Wish you hadn’t said, “I feel like you guys are gaming me here. I already said I agree that if route A is safer than route B, then you should take route A.” > [@](#): > > If you can’t read and comprehend that, I’m through with ya’. Fine with me either way. You’re not exactly in the running for Most Valuable Newbie of the current SDMB season. ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/378 "2007-03-25T07:36:56Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Good. Wish you hadn’t said, “I feel like you guys are gaming me here. I already said I agree that if route A is safer than route B, then you should take route A.” [/quote] I’m starting to wish I hadn’t too, because you sure took the fucking ball and ran way, way, way, way, waaaaay too far with that one. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Fine with me either way. You’re not exactly in the running for Most Valuable Newbie of the current SDMB season. That hurts me, because I have so much respect for you. not. ---
**Author:** ![aliquot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@aliquot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aliquot)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/379 "2007-03-26T15:47:16Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass] That hurts me, because I have so much respect for you. not. [/QUOTE] Oh that is CLASSIC!!! **lowbrass** , you’re autistic, right? Or have Asperger’s or something like that? If not, then lie and say you do, so we’ll at least feel bad for laughing at you. I suppose the alternative would be to cop to **Opalcat** ’s branding of you as a “total blinders-on asshole,” because that nails you absent some glaring mental defect. –ali, who read this ENTIRE THREAD ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118/380 "2007-03-26T18:12:42Z")
[QUOTE=aliquot] Oh that is CLASSIC!!! **lowbrass** , you’re autistic, right? Or have Asperger’s or something like that? If not, then lie and say you do, so we’ll at least feel bad for laughing at you. I suppose the alternative would be to cop to **Opalcat** ’s branding of you as a “total blinders-on asshole,” because that nails you absent some glaring mental defect. –ali, who read this ENTIRE THREAD [/QUOTE] Thanks for that well thought out and logically presented argument. That’s your third post on the the forum, huh? If you are a real person and not somebody’s sock, I predict you’re going to last about 3 days here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adult-bicyclists-get-off-the-damn-sidewalk/396118.md?page=20)