# Advice columnist: Trump raped me in a fitting room **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 25, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042 "2019-06-25T16:34:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/1 "2019-06-25T16:34:22Z")
E. Jean Carroll of Elle magazine’s “Ask E. Jean” told CNN that Donald Trump raped her in a fitting room at Bergdorf Goodman in the mid-1990s. So what are we going to do about this? This is just life now, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/2 "2019-06-25T16:45:07Z")
Article here: [President Donald Trump Faces New Rape Accusation](http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/president-donald-trump-faces-new-rape-accusation.html) Most Republicans in office, and most Trump supporters, are probably going to do nothing. Those of us who actually care very much about fighting rape and sexual assault are going to use this as further fuel to the fire to fight against Trump (and the Republicans in general) in upcoming elections. This is America. Powerful and wealthy men can rape, grope, and assault, generally with impunity. This has only begun to change very recently, and only slightly – obviously, it still doesn’t have any effect on the President, or most Republicans in general. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/3 "2019-06-25T16:52:57Z")
Well, he’s denying it of course, saying she isn’t his type. So I’m just curious what type of women he does like to sexually assault. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/4 "2019-06-25T17:00:01Z")
Ah - the old “she’s too ugly to rape” defense. Unless someone presses charges for something, we’re not going to see “no criminal charges” against the president tested in court. This leaves us with impeachment and voting the bastard out. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/5 "2019-06-25T17:05:22Z")
Melania must surely be running out of WH staff to revenge fuck by now. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/6 "2019-06-26T13:25:12Z")
The accuser has what appears to be an unusual reaction to the alleged rape. She says that she [regrets not asking Trump for his tax returns](https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/06/23/something-not-right-about-latest-accusation-against-trump/), and that she doesn’t want to press charges because [it would be disrespectful to women being raped at the border](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cnn-cuts-to-commercial-trump-accuser-jean-carroll-calls-rape-sexy). She also believes that most people think rape is sexy, which I for one do not. This could be the break the di Blasio/Ryan/Castro/Booker/Warren/O’Rourke/Klobuchar/Gabbard/Inslee/Delaney/Williamson/Hickenlooper/Yang/Buttigieg/Biden/Sanders/Harris/Gillibrand/Bennet/Swalwell campaign is looking for. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Smitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Smitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smitty)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/7 "2019-06-26T13:37:57Z")
If you believe that Donald Trump forcibly raped a woman in broad daylight in a public place and NO ONE noticed or mentioned it for 25 years, then you seriously need to take a look at yourself. I guess if someone claimed that he was actually a lizard alien from Alpha Centauri, you’d immediately buy that, too. You’re no better than the people who bought into the “Pizzagate” idiocy. For a place that prides itself on intelligence and “fighting ignorance”, this board is certainly full of people who will swallow the most outrageous nonsense as long at it fits their political agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/8 "2019-06-26T13:42:06Z")
It’s sort of like calling the detention camps “concentration camps”: the saddest part is not that it is irrevocably and clearly true, but it should be clearly false. There shouldn’t be a doubt. This fits in with his _blatantly professed_ character enough to take the possibility seriously. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/9 "2019-06-26T13:48:37Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The accuser has what appears to be an unusual reaction to the alleged rape. She says that she [regrets not asking Trump for his tax returns](https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/06/23/something-not-right-about-latest-accusation-against-trump/), and that she doesn’t want to press charges because [it would be disrespectful to women being raped at the border](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cnn-cuts-to-commercial-trump-accuser-jean-carroll-calls-rape-sexy). > > She also believes that most people think rape is sexy, which I for one do not. > > This could be the break the di Blasio/Ryan/Castro/Booker/Warren/O’Rourke/Klobuchar/Gabbard/Inslee/Delaney/Williamson/Hickenlooper/Yang/Buttigieg/Biden/Sanders/Harris/Gillibrand/Bennet/Swalwell campaign is looking for. > > Regards, > Shodan More attacks on women for doing nothing more than coming forward and telling their stories. Par for the course, both for America and for conservatives in America, these days – women must necessarily be attacked if there’s even the slightest possibility of some negative political (or business, or career) damage to a prominent man. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/10 "2019-06-26T13:51:57Z")
> [@Smitty](#): > > If you believe that Donald Trump forcibly raped a woman in broad daylight in a public place and NO ONE noticed or mentioned it for 25 years, then you seriously need to take a look at yourself. I guess if someone claimed that he was actually a lizard alien from Alpha Centauri, you’d immediately buy that, too. You’re no better than the people who bought into the “Pizzagate” idiocy. > > For a place that prides itself on intelligence and “fighting ignorance”, this board is certainly full of people who will swallow the most outrageous nonsense as long at it fits their political agenda. She didn’t say she was raped “in broad daylight in a public place” – it was in a dressing room. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/11 "2019-06-26T14:01:20Z")
> [@Smitty](#): > > If you believe that Donald Trump forcibly raped a woman in broad daylight in a public place and NO ONE noticed or mentioned it for 25 years, then you seriously need to take a look at yourself. You got two key details completely wrong, but thats aid, the sort of thing Carroll actually described happens all the time. Everyone knows Trump’s a sexual assaulter, even if they won’t openly admit it. Conservatives just don’t care, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fake_Tales_of_San_Francisco)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/12 "2019-06-26T14:15:41Z")
> [@Smitty](#): > > If you believe that Donald Trump forcibly raped a woman in broad daylight in a public place and NO ONE noticed or mentioned it for 25 years, then you seriously need to take a look at yourself. Is that still true even when he brags about it? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/13 "2019-06-26T14:18:49Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > You got two key details completely wrong, but thats aid, the sort of thing Carroll actually described happens all the time. Hate crimes happen too, but Jussie Smollet is still a liar. > [@RickJay](#): > > Everyone knows Trump’s a sexual assaulter, even if they won’t openly admit it. Conservatives just don’t care, that’s all. Everyone knows this woman’s story is fishy, even if they won’t openly admit it. Liberals just don’t care, that’s all. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/14 "2019-06-26T14:24:38Z")
The thing I don’t buy is that Trump stopped her and said “hey you’re that advice lady” Donald Trump reads Elle Magazine? Donald Trump reads? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/15 "2019-06-26T14:30:44Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Everyone knows this woman’s story is fishy, even if they won’t openly admit it. Liberals just don’t care, that’s all. Do we dare search for posts under your name mentioning “Kathleen Willey”? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/16 "2019-06-26T14:32:30Z")
The #MeToo philosophy doesn’t demand that everyone believe any and every allegation. It demands that every allegation be taken seriously, and women who tell their stories must not be attacked or criticized for telling their stories without a damn good reason (i.e. proof that they’re lying). That’s how decent people, and a decent society, should respond to allegations of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape, IMO – with compassion and with seriousness. Take it seriously and don’t attack someone for just telling their story. That’s really not that hard to do, but much of America (certainly most prominent Republicans, and most Trump supporters in general) fails again and again. I’ll note that most Democrats were failing this standard again and again until recently, but unlike Republicans and Trump supporters, there’s actually been some positive movement from that side on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/17 "2019-06-26T14:50:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The #MeToo philosophy doesn’t demand that everyone believe any and every allegation. It demands that every allegation be taken seriously… “I regret not having asked my alleged rapist for his tax returns” is not a statement that can be taken all that seriously. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/18 "2019-06-26T14:51:26Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > “I regret not having asked my alleged rapist for his tax returns” is not a statement that can be taken all that seriously. It wasn’t meant to be. Are you seriously unaware that many folks use humor to deal with past trauma? ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/19 "2019-06-26T15:01:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It wasn’t meant to be. Are you seriously unaware that many folks use humor to deal with past trauma? I recommend [Carroll’s piece at The Cut](https://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald-trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hideous-men.html)(excerpted from her book); it is, besides describing all-too-common horrors, chock-a-block with jokes. It’s obvious that humor is a coping strategy for her. > [@](#): > > Had I been an artist, I could have carried the front seat of the car the boy was driving wherever I went on Indiana University’s campus to protest his assault like Emma Sulkowicz carrying her mattress around Columbia University in the greatest art show of 2014, but I didn’t think of it. Perhaps hauling around just the gearshift would have sufficed. But, like many women who are attacked, when I had the most to say, I said the least. > Let’s just double-check my diary: Do I write that I went to the campus police and reported the boy? Do I say I went to the university health clinic and talked with a therapist? No. I say: > > > [@](#): > > > > BE IT KNOWN— > > > > That from this day forth I will not except [sic] or go on any dates that are not of my choice — they must be boys who are to my liking [I can’t read what I crossed out here]. I have to [sic] many things to do — rather than waste my time with CREEPY BOYS. > > > > (signed) Jeanie Carroll Or: > [@](#): > > I am not a foodie. Give me a three-cheese foot-long with a mound of red onions on it or a couple of Amy’s organic black-bean burritos and I’m happy. But wild, half-witted, greener-than-green Jeanie Carroll, 50 years before #MeToo, 40 years before women even begin expecting things could be different Jeanie Carroll, who takes her licks and doesn’t look back, is not about to pass up a dinner in the goddamn Pump Room! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/20 "2019-06-26T15:13:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Everyone knows this woman’s story is fishy, even if they won’t openly admit it. Liberals just don’t care, that’s all. Let’s, for the sake of argument, say this woman’s story turns out to be an exaggeration or even a complete lie. She would certainly discredit herself. What responsibility/blame do you think people who currently give her the benefit of the doubt bear for hearing her out? Are they in some way complicit for listening and taking her seriously? Do you believe they would blindly persist in their support if her story was exposed as a lie? Would her alleged falsehoods discredit all the other allegations against Trump? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042.md?page=2)