# Advice columnist: Trump raped me in a fitting room

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [June 25, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042 "2019-06-25T16:34:22Z")\
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**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/282 "2019-06-30T01:34:31Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> 1 is already true, and always has been. Anyone can say anything they like. They might get sued, if it’s false and defamatory.
> 
> 2 is not something I’m for. I don’t care what you believe – I care what you put out into society. It’s wrong to do and say things that make it harder for victims and survivors of sexual assault and rape to come forward, when it’s already so, so hard. That means it’s wrong to accuse or even imply dishonesty in an accuser without proof. Say “I’m reserving judgment for more evidence” all you want – that’s not denigrating anyone.
> 
> 3 is generally accurate. I’m sure it would be terrible to be falsely accused, but powerful men have enormous resources to fight _accurate_ accusations, and usually win… fighting the false ones is a relative breeze.
> 
> But this is separate from how the justice system should improve WRT sexual assault and rape. In my understanding, they often treat accusers like suspects – they drill down with hostility, rather than starting with compassion. And they include members of an inherently patriarchal culture – usually men, but also women – who so often see rape as only the stranger-in-a-bush variety… anything else must have been brought about by the accuser. What was she wearing? Is she promiscuous? Why did she go up to his apartment, or in the dressing room? Why did she flirt with him? Etc. None of that is actually relevant to whether she might have been raped, but it’s used to browbeat accusers just the same. Those are the kinds of things that need to be improved

I asked the question about what you would specifically do to replace/improve the justice system and what your vision of a better one was twice.

I had to do it a second time because the first time you just complained about what you saw as the failings of the current system?

That hasn’t changed.

I take it you actually don’t have a plan or any ideas.

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**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/283 "2019-06-30T01:35:49Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> I think we’re done here, because this statement reveals (IMO) your profound and cavernous ignorance about rape and sexual assault.

I suppose you have a PhD?  
Don’t do me any favors.

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**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/284 "2019-06-30T01:38:27Z")

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> [@Poysyn](#):
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> Oh!
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> I can answer the question about the legal system - ALL police need to get training in proper forensic interview skills, or that there are special response teams that deal solely with sexual violence.
> 
> That judges and lawyers get training in trauma response and victimology.
> 
> That the loopholes that still exist in the system that allow for improper cross-examination be closed.
> 
> That all accusations are replied with “Believe first”.
> 
> I know you will freak out, so let me finish. That the belief that the person was victimized by sexual violence is accepted - that does not mean that the accused is assumed guilty. That is what the investigation is for - these can be two separate things.
> 
> Analogy -
> 
> If I am struck by a car, there is medical and possibly psychological help offered right away. The investigation will determine if that driver was criminal in striking me, but there is never a question about whether I was struck and injured.

This all makes sense and I agree with everything except the loopholes part. The reason I don’t agree is because I am ignorant of what you are referring to.

I would like to know what you are referring to though

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**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/285 "2019-06-30T01:42:29Z")

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A lot of that stuff is useful in general, not just for assault cases.

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**Author:** ![Poysyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Poysyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poysyn)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/286 "2019-06-30T01:48:37Z")

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Here is where I admit I need to do more research - I know there are technically rape shield laws that are supposed to protect prior sexual history, for example, but I also know that there are workarounds that get this evidence admitted anyway.

This is a problem. If a law is not doing what it is supposed to do, then it needs to be revisited.

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**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/287 "2019-06-30T01:51:05Z")

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> [@Scylla](#):
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> I asked the question about what you would specifically do to replace/improve the justice system and what your vision of a better one was twice.
> 
> I had to do it a second time because the first time you just complained about what you saw as the failings of the current system?
> 
> That hasn’t changed.
> 
> I take it you actually don’t have a plan or any ideas.

…people aren’t obliged to “dance at your request.” You are perfectly happy to ignore challenges to the things you assert in this thread, you’ve ignored questions, you’ve ignored rebuttals, you’ve accused people who have laid out comphrensive cases that you’ve misrepresented the facts of this particular case of “accusing you of lying.”

You’ve set the tone for this thread. Stop complaining that people are simply doing as you do.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/288 "2019-06-30T01:56:36Z")

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> [@Scylla](#):
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> I agree that Trump has done some bad things.

Sure, committing rape is just one of the bad things he’s done. But I’m trying to stay focused on the thread topic.

> [@Scylla](#):
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> I’m not discussing Trump’s record in general, just this one single allegation.

I think a rape accusation against Trump should be considered within the context of his history of committing rape.

> [@Scylla](#):
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> None of this is a defense of Trump.

I don’t think this is an argument you want to pursue. Because if you’re not defending Trump in particular for partisan political reasons, then it appears you’re defending rapists in general.

> [@Scylla](#):
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> I just don’t like the way you took liberty with the statistics.

I didn’t take any liberties with the statistics. I used the figures you provided to demonstrate how weak your argument is. So I can see why you didn’t like it.

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**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/289 "2019-06-30T01:59:43Z")

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Fascinating. Apparently, if you don’t know how to fix something, you are not allowed to acknowledge ways that it is broken. For instance, right now my washing machine is broken. I don’t exactly know how to fix it, but I can recognize what’s not working (it’s not draining. But I guess I can’t say that if I don’t know how to fix it);

But I think I’m done here. Between the idea that “she’s not my (rapin’) type” is a valid and convincing defense, and the idea that “unfounded” means"false," even when presented with concrete examples that they are not synonyms…I just can’t.

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**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/290 "2019-06-30T02:17:56Z")

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> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> …people aren’t obliged to “dance at your request.” You are perfectly happy to ignore challenges to the things you assert in this thread, you’ve ignored questions, you’ve ignored rebuttals, you’ve accused people who have laid out comphrensive cases that you’ve misrepresented the facts of this particular case of “accusing you of lying.”
> 
> You’ve set the tone for this thread. Stop complaining that people are simply doing as you do.

I told you a while back that the style of Scylla’s arguments were all you needed to know to understand the futility of expecting a reasonable response. Rebutting that style with facts, reason, or analysis will get you nowhere. The style becomes an infinite loop of saying what already was said. Once you see that loop, the best recourse is simply to stop wasting your time.

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**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/291 "2019-06-30T02:35:03Z")

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> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> …people aren’t obliged to “dance at your request.” You are perfectly happy to ignore challenges to the things you assert in this thread, you’ve ignored questions, you’ve ignored rebuttals, you’ve accused people who have laid out comphrensive cases that you’ve misrepresented the facts of this particular case of “accusing you of lying.”
> 
> You’ve set the tone for this thread. Stop complaining that people are simply doing as you do.

He doesn’t have to respond. Since he did, at length, twice, I assumed he wanted to answer the question. I was just pointing out that he answered a different question than I asked.

It;s not quite Beto suddenly speaking Spanish when asked a question that he didn’t like, but it was still worth noting.

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**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/292 "2019-06-30T02:44:04Z")

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> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> I don’t think this is an argument you want to pursue. Because if you’re not defending Trump in particular for partisan political reasons, then it appears you’re defending rapists in general.

It’s not Trump, nor rapists in general. It’s more interesting than that.

Let’s say someone you know is accused seriously of rape. You don’t know for sure whether or not he did it. He seemed like a good guy to you, not someone you would think would rape (so clearly not a stand in for Trump.). He claims he didn’t do it. You talk to him and tend to believe him. You hear the accusers account, and your opinion tends to disbelieve the accusation. The fact is that you don’t know. Can’t know for sure.

Now, let’s say somebody rips into this guy very hard, and, you think incorrectly. You decide to state your opinion.

Are you defending a rapist?

I am pointing out in this thread that being a rapist and being accused of a rapist are not the same things.

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**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/293 "2019-06-30T02:52:37Z")

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> [@Scylla](#):
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> Since he did, at length, twice, I \*\*assumed \*\*he wanted to answer the question.

…that was a silly assumption. If he wanted to answer the question he would have answered it.

> [@](#):
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> I was just pointing out that he answered a different question than I asked.

> [@Scylla](#):
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> I take it you actually don’t have a plan or any ideas.

Its almost as if you think we can’t actually see what you actually wrote.

> [@](#):
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> It;s not quite Beto suddenly speaking Spanish when asked a question that he didn’t like, but it was still worth noting.

Its as noteworthy as you ignoring the rebuttal of the FBI 7-8% number, or as noteworthy as you repeating the ridiculous “22 per day” number, or as noteworthy as you (incorrectly) accusing **Les Wizerables** of “calling you a liar”. All of which, unlike “Beto suddenly speaking Spanish”, happened in this very thread.

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**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/294 "2019-06-30T02:56:04Z")

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> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> …you want us to take you seriously when you make claims like this and state that it is “a fact?”

Excuse my ignorance. What is the problem with what I said?

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**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/295 "2019-06-30T03:05:29Z")

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> [@Scylla](#):
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> Excuse my ignorance. What is the problem with what I said?

…you literally quoted me. You quoted “the problem I had with what you said.”

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**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/296 "2019-06-30T03:34:04Z")

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> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> Its as noteworthy as you ignoring the rebuttal of the FBI 7-8% number, or as noteworthy as you repeating the ridiculous “22 per day”

The rebuttal cited Wikipedia and then said that the 7% number was based on a study done in 1997 and never updated and is therefore useless or worthless.

What my article actually said was:

“n the 1990s, the FBI clocked the rate of specious allegations at 8 percent, according to Turvey. A 2016 meta-analysis of seven studies found an average false reporting rate of 5 percent. In the mid-2000s, the Making a Difference (MAD) project crunched stats on 2,059 rapes and sexual assaults specifically reported to U.S. law enforcement, the only study to do so. MAD found a false allegation rate of 7 percent.

How many is that? According to the FBI, law enforcement agencies received 116,645 reports of rapes or sexual assaults in 2014, the most recent year for which comprehensive law enforcement statistics are available. Applying MAD’s 7 percent false reporting rate, that’s a total of 8,165 false reports—or about 22 every day of the year.”

This one quote mentions 4 different studies going from the 1990s to 2014. I looked at the Wikipedia cite, and I didn’t feel that their cite really said what they seemed to think it said.

I concluded that the person really hadn’t read the article, said so, and moved on. The person then came back with something I didn’t real feel was worth my time.

How did I make that determination? Personal judgement call. In the very best discussions I’ve had we tend to be focused on ideas. People will get the gist of what i am saying with just a few words because they are reading sympathetically and I am doing the same and we are trying to understand what the other is saying.

In some of the worst discussions, the people think it is a game to misinterpret, or not understand, or misread.

In this particular circumstance I looked at what my article said, what their rebuttal link said, and thought “oh ok. We are playing that game. No thanks.” I moved on. I assumed other people who wanted to have a good progressive discussion would conclude what I had concluded.  
So that’s why I did what I did. You have concluded that my actions were unsatisfactory or hypocritical or something and are chiding me for them

Ok. Let’s talk about it.

As you can see, there are 4 different studies cited, not one. The range is between 5-8%. The extrapolation of the math to lead to 22 based on a 7% rate is pretty straightforward. The first study is indeed from 1997 but the last is from 2014, so the interpretation of the Wikipedia argument (which was fast and loose, IMO, but whatever) that this was not a good number because it’s just one study that needs updating, does not in fact hold water.

There. I’ve now backtracked and wasted time Explaining myself and addressing something that anybody worth talking too should be able to see for themselves without my help.

I did that for you because you seemed to think it was bad that I didn’t. So please show me how this is interesting and noteworthy and how you are going to use it to exchange ideas in an interesting way or move the conversation along.

If I stop responding and go on to something else, you will now know why.

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I will go a step further and anticipate a potential rebuttal. Something like “Scylla you are still a fucking hypocrite. You can’t go ignoring stuff directed at you even if you think it’s unworthy, while chiding Andy for not asking your questions”  
My answer would be that your right. I just choose where to invest my time and make a judgement. Andy is typically forthcoming and I thought my question interesting and worthy. I was asking him what his picture ideas for change were, and what he hoped to accomplish and how he would do it.

I thought that arguing about percentages that I had cited correctly from somebody who either wasn’t bothering to read carefully, was being deliberately obstinate, or disingenuous wasn’t very interesting.  
I expect people are making the same choices with me when they decide whether to engage or not.  
I hope that answers your question.  
Now Dance Bear! Say something Interesting based on this! Give me food for thought, or I shall cast thee down into the forgotten ranks of Those Not Really Worth Bothering With. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/297 "2019-06-30T03:37:17Z")

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> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> …you literally quoted me. You quoted “the problem I had with what you said.”

My ignorance. Yes. Understood. You are being tedious. Did you not understand that I was requesting you enlighten me?

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**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2019, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/298 "2019-06-30T04:08:30Z")

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> [@Scylla](#):
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> The rebuttal cited Wikipedia and then said that the 7% number was based on a study done in 1997 and never updated and is therefore useless or worthless.
> 
> What my article actually said was:
> 
> “n the 1990s, the FBI clocked the rate of specious allegations at 8 percent, according to Turvey. A 2016 meta-analysis of seven studies found an average false reporting rate of 5 percent. In the mid-2000s, the Making a Difference (MAD) project crunched stats on 2,059 rapes and sexual assaults specifically reported to U.S. law enforcement, the only study to do so. MAD found a false allegation rate of 7 percent.
> 
> How many is that? According to the FBI, law enforcement agencies received 116,645 reports of rapes or sexual assaults in 2014, the most recent year for which comprehensive law enforcement statistics are available. Applying MAD’s 7 percent false reporting rate, that’s a total of 8,165 false reports—or about 22 every day of the year.”
> 
> This one quote mentions 4 different studies going from the 1990s to 2014. I looked at the Wikipedia cite, and I didn’t feel that their cite really said what they seemed to think it said.
> 
> I concluded that the person really hadn’t read the article, said so, and moved on. The person then came back with something I didn’t real feel was worth my time.
> 
> How did I make that determination? Personal judgement call. In the very best discussions I’ve had we tend to be focused on ideas. People will get the gist of what i am saying with just a few words because they are reading sympathetically and I am doing the same and we are trying to understand what the other is saying.
> 
> In some of the worst discussions, the people think it is a game to misinterpret, or not understand, or misread.
> 
> In this particular circumstance I looked at what my article said, what their rebuttal link said, and thought “oh ok. We are playing that game. No thanks.” I moved on. I assumed other people who wanted to have a good progressive discussion would conclude what I had concluded.

…except ‘this massive wall of text’ you’ve just written isn’t what actually happened.

> [@Scylla](#):
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> Good article on the consequences of false rape allegations:
> 
> [https://world.wng.org/2019/03/false\_convictions\_ruined\_lives](https://world.wng.org/2019/03/false_convictions_ruined_lives)
> 
> **FBI puts the number as high as 7-8%**. This, of course, is for the ones that are reported to the police. It doesn’t include the ones that are made casually or just through the media

> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> [False accusation of rape - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#FBI_statistics_(1995%E2%80%931997))
> 
> …a dubious statistic that hasn’t been updated since 1997.
> 
> LOL.

Did you see what actually happened? That person (who happened to have been me) wasn’t addressing the article: they were addressing the numbers \*\*you \*\*pulled from the article. It doesn’t matter what the article said. \*\*You \*\*quoted those figures here in this thread. I investigated the figures that you presented to us.

> [@](#):
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> So that’s why I did what I did.

What you’ve actually done is recontexualised what you did.

Fortunately all we need to do is scroll back a couple of pages to see what you actually did.

> [@](#):
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> You have concluded that my actions were unsatisfactory or hypocritical or something and are chiding me for them

Incorrect. I didn’t chide you. I said they were notable.

> [@](#):
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> Ok. Let’s talk about it.

No, lets not.

It took me less than a minute to investigate the FBI figures, something that both you and the author of the article you cited didn’t bother to do. Strike One.

You then borrowed the “22 a day” figure, which was extrapolated from figures from the Making a Difference Project, something that I’m pretty sure the authors of the Making a Difference Project nor any self-respecting statistician would ever endorse. Strike Two.

I have no reason to believe that any other statistic used in the article hasn’t been similarly manipulated/misinterpreted and I’m not going to run around checking their veracity. I’ve done your homework for you already. Link to the primary sources or forget about it: I don’t trust your cite.

And it wasn’t a “wikipedia arguement.” It was Bruce Goss, PhD, JD, MBA, someone who, unlike you, has actually examined the data.

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> There. I’ve now backtracked and wasted time Explaining myself and addressing something that anybody worth talking too should be able to see for themselves without my help.

Yep: you certainly did waste your time.

> [@](#):
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> I did that for you because you seemed to think it was bad that I didn’t.

Not bad. Just worthy of noting.

> [@](#):
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> So please show me how this is interesting and noteworthy and how you are going to use it to exchange ideas in an interesting way or move the conversation along.

Please show me how pointing out that iiandyiiii not answering your question twice is interesting and noteworthy and how you are going to use it to exchange ideas in an interesting way or move the conversation along.

> [@](#):
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> If I stop responding and go on to something else, you will now know why.
> 
> * * *

Because you can’t handle it when people prove that you’ve gotten something wrong?

> [@](#):
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> I will go a step further and anticipate a potential rebuttal. Something like “Scylla you are still a fucking hypocrite. You can’t go ignoring stuff directed at you even if you think it’s unworthy, while chiding Andy for not asking your questions”
> 
> My answer would be that your right. I just choose where to invest my time and make a judgement. Andy is typically forthcoming and I thought my question interesting and worthy. I was asking him what his picture ideas for change were, and what he hoped to accomplish and how he would do it.

LOL. I hope you are having fun having a conversation with yourself.

> [@](#):
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> I thought that arguing about percentages that I had cited correctly from somebody who either wasn’t bothering to read carefully, was being deliberately obstinate, or disingenuous wasn’t very interesting.

For the third time: **that person was me.**

Are you just skimming the thread?

> [@](#):
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> I expect people are making the same choices with me when they decide whether to engage or not.

Indeed.

> [@](#):
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> I hope that answers your question.

The casual reader will note that I never asked Scylla a question.

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> Now Dance Bear! Say something Interesting based on this! Give me food for thought, or I shall cast thee down into the forgotten ranks of Those Not Really Worth Bothering With. 🙂

You seem to be under the misapprehension that this thread is all about you.

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> My ignorance. Yes. Understood. You are being tedious. Did you not understand that I was requesting you enlighten me?

I understood you perfectly. I just choose where to invest my time and make a judgement.

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Here is where I answered **Scylla’s** question about how the justice system needs to improve:

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> But this is separate from how the justice system should improve WRT sexual assault and rape. In my understanding, they often treat accusers like suspects – they drill down with hostility, rather than starting with compassion. And they include members of an inherently patriarchal culture – usually men, but also women – who so often see rape as only the stranger-in-a-bush variety… anything else must have been brought about by the accuser. What was she wearing? Is she promiscuous? Why did she go up to his apartment, or in the dressing room? Why did she flirt with him? Etc. None of that is actually relevant to whether she might have been raped, but it’s used to browbeat accusers just the same. Those are the kinds of things that need to be improved.

So I identified some areas and behaviors that are bad and need to stop. **Poysyn** went into a lot more detail, since presumably she has some expertise that I do not. But I did answer that question, for the record.

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There are lots of terrible aspects to patriarchal and rape culture, but one of the worst is that it can motivate otherwise decent individuals to attack women for nothing more than telling their stories.

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