# Advice columnist: Trump raped me in a fitting room **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 25, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042 "2019-06-25T16:34:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/21 "2019-06-26T15:20:26Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > So what are we going to do about this? Same thing we did the previous fifteen times Trump has been accused of sexual assault. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/22 "2019-06-26T15:22:00Z")
Occam’s razor points to Trump being guilty of rape whether the accuser is of dubious credibility or has an impeccable character, and all of those in between. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/23 "2019-06-26T15:24:53Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Everyone knows this woman’s story is fishy, even if they won’t openly admit it. That’s the thing. This story doesn’t sound fishy. It sounds like the kind of thing Trump would do. It’s like a woman saying Bill Clinton had an affair with her. Donald Trump is a rapist. And Republicans are okay with that. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/24 "2019-06-26T15:39:49Z")
E. Jean Carroll is a humorist and has some very funny books out. She’s been a columnist, a television personality, a journalist, and a speaker. She is very well known in some circles and certainly had the type of celebrity visibility that would be immediately recognized by another person who swam in those exact same New York celebrity circles. The only thing truly unbelievable is that Donald Trump _wouldn’t_ have recognized her. This is the context of the “rape is sexy” cherrypicking quote. > [@](#): > > Cooper: You don’t feel like a victim. > > Carroll: I was not thrown on the ground and ravished. Which… the word “rape” carries so many sexual connotations. This was not sexual. It hurt… > > Cooper: But I think most people think of rape as a, I mean, it is a violent assault, it is not a– > > Carroll: I think most people think of rape as being sexy. > > Cooper: [pause] Let’s take a short break– > > Carroll: They think of the fantasies. It should not be necessary to say that Carroll never claimed that rape itself is sexy or that her rape was sexy or that any woman’s rape is sexy. Yet it has become necessary to do so, because of right-wing media. Can there be a greater indictment of right-wing media and those who spout its lies as reality? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/25 "2019-06-26T15:40:53Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > “I regret not having asked my alleged rapist for his tax returns” is not a statement that can be taken all that seriously. > > Regards, > Shodan Care to defend your boy’s “She’s not my type” response to a rape allegation? I mean this sort of defense would be vile coming from a high school student, but yet it’s ok when it comes from the head of the Republican Party and President of the United States? Actually, yeah, I guess that sounds about right these days. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/26 "2019-06-26T15:50:19Z")
Perhaps he was using humor to deal with a painful situation. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/27 "2019-06-26T15:55:29Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Perhaps he was using humor to deal with a painful situation. > > Regards, > Shodan Yes, Trump is well-known for his use of humor. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/28 "2019-06-26T16:04:18Z")
Yep. He has the best jokes! Stop him if you’ve heard this one: “3,000 minors are separated from their parents at the southern border…” ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/29 "2019-06-26T16:17:55Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Perhaps he was using humor to deal with a painful situation. We all laughed when he said “I am an extremely stable genius.” In truth, few of us can stop laughing when we think of Trump. But then he’ll get accused of rape - yet again - and the smiles quickly droop into sadness. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/30 "2019-06-26T16:23:14Z")
Two friends have acknowledged that she told them about the rape at the time and that she is telling the truth that one of them said “You were raped, you have to report this” and the other “Don’t tell a soul, he would crush you and ruin your life”. I for one believe them, but it’s always easy to believe credible accusations against openly horrible people. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/31 "2019-06-26T16:35:29Z")
> [@Smitty](#): > > If you believe that Donald Trump forcibly raped a woman in broad daylight in a public place and NO ONE noticed or mentioned it for 25 years, then you seriously need to take a look at yourself. Someone mentioned it… “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.” ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/32 "2019-06-26T17:04:00Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Melania must surely be running out of WH staff to revenge fuck by now. She could try revenge fucking the female staffers, but Trump would probably like that too much. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/33 "2019-06-26T17:20:47Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Hate crimes happen too, but Jussie Smollet is still a liar. Everyone knows this woman’s story is fishy, even if they won’t openly admit it. Liberals just don’t care, that’s all. > > Regards, > Shodan Trump raping Jussie Smollet is worth a thread of its own. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/34 "2019-06-26T17:37:50Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Perhaps he was using humor to deal with a painful situation. > > Regards, > Shodan You find the most powerful man in the world punching down at a woman based on her looks and whether she’s attractive enough for him to have raped her to be potentially humorous? If it was meant to be humor from Trump, can you fucking defend _that?_ ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/35 "2019-06-26T18:03:32Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Everyone knows this woman’s story is fishy, even if they won’t openly admit it. Liberals just don’t care, that’s all. > > Regards, > Shodan So at this point, I have to ask: what would it take for you to believe a woman who said Trump raped her? Nothing about her story strikes me as fishy. I’m sure if I looked hard enough, [I could find a fishier sounding allegation that is nevertheless true](https://www.gallatinnews.com/news/crime/man-indicted-for-rape-in-kohl-s-dressing-room/article_d34eed80-2a01-11e8-b6da-fbfb7f8e818f.html). So what about it makes it fishy to you? Do you have evidence that Carroll is the kind of person who would lie about rape? Perhaps you know something about her character and her trustworthiness that you could share with us, that would help explain why you doubt she’s being honest? I get the feeling that there is no Trump-defending Republican alive who would believe _any_ woman who said Trump raped her. Even if the woman herself was a card-carrying Republican. And it would be one thing if the guy hadn’t basically admitted to “I don’t even wait” when it comes to getting consent, but you know, he did admit that. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/36 "2019-06-26T18:17:53Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Hate crimes happen too, but Jussie Smollet is still a liar. Everyone knows this woman’s story is fishy, even if they won’t openly admit it. Liberals just don’t care, that’s all. > > Regards, > Shodan Boy, this is pretty low. Illogical and low. Maybe I should see your acknowledgement that hate crimes happen as a step forward, but since, as far as I can determine, you’ve never acknowledged in a thread about a particular hate crime that it was, in fact, a hate crime, even that small statement rings hollow. But that’s not what’s important here. What’s notable is that you throw hate crimes and rape into the same lot. In effect, you’re saying, “All these Black/Jewish/Muslim/gay people and all these women coming forward about sexual assault are of a piece.” And then you dismiss all. > [@Shodan](#): > > Perhaps he was using humor to deal with a painful situation. > > Regards, > Shodan And flippancy to boot. Because most accused criminals joke about their victims to deal with a painful situation. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/37 "2019-06-26T18:32:36Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > … She also believes that most people think rape is sexy, which I for one do not. … That was [an _extremely_ awkward segment for Anderson Cooper](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/25/stunned_anderson_cooper_cuts_to_commercial_when_trump_accuser_e_jean_carroll_calls_rape_sexy.html). ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/38 "2019-06-26T18:36:57Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Hate crimes happen too, but Jussie Smollet is still a liar. Everyone knows this woman’s story is fishy, even if they won’t openly admit it. Liberals just don’t care, that’s all. But no part of it is fishy, as you well know. It is a believable account, by a seemingly sane person, against a man who is the subject of an unusual number of such accusations and who brags about doing it. The weird and irrelevant comparison to Jussie Smollet is stupid. Smollet’s story WAS fishy. Many, many “liberals” found it highly suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/39 "2019-06-26T18:45:30Z")
Cutting to commercial is awkward, but it happens all the time in capitalist countries. EG: [Fox News Cuts Off Guest Tying Rise in U.S. Anti-Semitism to Trump Rhetoric, Charlottesville](https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-cut-guest-synagogue-anti-semitism-blame-trump-joel-rubin-jewish-1407731) ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/40 "2019-06-26T21:30:30Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That was [an _extremely_ awkward segment for Anderson Cooper](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/25/stunned_anderson_cooper_cuts_to_commercial_when_trump_accuser_e_jean_carroll_calls_rape_sexy.html). Already quoted in post #24. Although it seems that whenever a woman criticizes society’s attitudes toward rape too many men want to shift the conversation elsewhere. Maybe if men shifted their fantasies that rape can be sexy first, the conversation would go a lot smoother. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042.md?page=3)