# Afghanistan Today **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 13, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afghanistan-today/948624 "2021-08-13T18:38:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 434
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afghanistan-today/948624/434 "2021-08-25T12:46:00Z")
I used the term “proximate cause”, you should probably investigate what that means. You’re talking about longer term cause/effect, and on that count aren’t really in disagreement with me. I’ve already posted previously about how similar things went down over the several years it took for the communist government of Afghanistan to collapse after the Soviet pullout. For example in this post here: > [@Trump calls for Biden to "Resign in Disgrace"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/111): > > I’ve read a number of assessments like this–and while I think they are spot on with failures in military strategy over the last 20 years, they don’t explain the rapid collapse. The rapid collapse was brokered the way deals are often brokered in Afghanistan–tribal leaders who often have family members on both sides of any conflict in Afghanistan, broker meetings, deals get cut. Most of the provinces fell with minimal or sometimes zero bullets being fired. I read an article from a former journal… --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afghanistan-today/948624)._