# AFI: You officially SUCK! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 18, 2008, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278 "2008-06-18T00:53:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/1 "2008-06-18T00:53:25Z")
Really? AFI’s 10 Top 10, broken down into genre? And in the Sci-Fi category, you mention _Big_, _Terminator 2_, and _Groundhog Day_…but no _Star Trek: Wrath of Khan_? What exactly are you smoking? :mad: :mad: :mad: ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/2 "2008-06-18T01:06:14Z")
I didn’t bother watching when I saw them promoting **Shrek** as one of the top ten animated films. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/3 "2008-06-18T01:12:28Z")
Yeah, _Snow White_ was number one. I get that it won an Oscar, and it was cutting edge for its time…but jeez. Number one animated film of all time? :dubious: This isn’t the first time _Star Trek_ has been dissed…I think they were left out of the 100 Greatest Movie Quotes, even as a nomination. I smell conspiracy! (And no, I don’t care that much. But \*Star Trek \*deserves mention, dammit!) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/4 "2008-06-18T01:59:27Z")
_Big_ the Tom Hanks movie? Science fiction? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/5 "2008-06-18T03:00:20Z")
Is there a link? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/6 "2008-06-18T03:04:51Z")
[QUOTE=RealityChuck] I didn’t bother watching when I saw them promoting **Shrek** as one of the top ten animated films. [/QUOTE] It’s the highest grossing comedy of all time. It probably deserves to be on the list. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Orual](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orual](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orual)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/7 "2008-06-18T03:13:00Z")
Why the **HELL** was _The Magnificent Seven_ not even on the LIST for Westerns??? EDIT: [link.](http://www.afi.com/10top10/) ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/8 "2008-06-18T03:17:54Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] Is there a link? [/QUOTE] [Yes.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFI's_10_Top_10) _Big_ is listed as fantasy, not sci-fi, which I think makes sense. Sci-Fi would not make sense at all. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/9 "2008-06-18T03:55:11Z")
Where was _Bringing up Baby_? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/10 "2008-06-18T04:03:17Z")
How is _Back to the Future_ science fiction? I’d peg that as fantasy, but maybe that’s just me. To the OP: _Wrath of Khan_? Really? It was a good movie, but pretty darned formulaic as science fiction. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/11 "2008-06-18T04:06:47Z")
[QUOTE=squeegee] How is _Back to the Future_ science fiction? I’d peg that as fantasy, but maybe that’s just me. [/QUOTE] Doc Brown was a scientist who used fictional science to create a fictional time machine. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/12 "2008-06-18T04:15:05Z")
I can’t see why anyone would think a Star Trek movie, even the best of them, would ever be considered one of the top ten of all time. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/13 "2008-06-18T05:01:25Z")
[QUOTE=squeegee] How is _Back to the Future_ science fiction? I’d peg that as fantasy, but maybe that’s just me. To the OP: _Wrath of Khan_? Really? It was a good movie, but pretty darned formulaic as science fiction. [/QUOTE] I find the fact that you would exclude BTTF from “science fiction” while including _Star Trek_ in the same category to be illogical. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/14 "2008-06-18T06:03:20Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] Doc Brown was a scientist who used fictional science to create a fictional time machine. [/QUOTE] I’d think it was fantasy for the same reason _Peggy Sue Got Married_ was fantasy. Or _Its a Wonderful Life_, for that matter. But, like I said, that’s probably just me. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/15 "2008-06-18T06:08:26Z")
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**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/16 "2008-06-18T06:14:26Z")
[QUOTE=squeegee] I’d think it was fantasy for the same reason _Peggy Sue Got Married_ was fantasy. Or _Its a Wonderful Life_, for that matter. But, like I said, that’s probably just me. [/QUOTE] Well, to my way of thinking, Peggy Sue went back magically with no explanation. And George Bailey’s going backwards and to alternate realities is also fantastical. The reason for going back and forth in time in BTTF is due to science…albeit really, really bad science, but science nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Manduck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manduck/32/256_2.png) [@Manduck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manduck)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/17 "2008-06-18T06:44:13Z")
I wonder if I don’t know what an epic is. I thought an epic had to span a long stretch of time - generations, even. The action in Titanic takes place in the course of a single boat trip - not even a complete trip. How is that an epic? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/18 "2008-06-18T07:19:07Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] Well, to my way of thinking, Peggy Sue went back magically with no explanation. And George Bailey’s going backwards and to alternate realities is also fantastical. The reason for going back and forth in time in BTTF is due to science…albeit really, really bad science, but science nonetheless. [/QUOTE] Sure, that’s perfectly valid. I’d postulate in turn that Science Fiction is about the future, not a fantastical past. Having said that, someone will probably slap me with a well-justified trout containing non-future Sci-Fi examples. Slap away! And before I get slapped with H.G. Wells, I’ll point out that _The Time Traveller_ was mostly about the narrator’s future. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/19 "2008-06-18T09:56:37Z")
No list of horror films? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278/20 "2008-06-18T10:00:49Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] Yeah, _Snow White_ was number one. I get that it won an Oscar, and it was cutting edge for its time…but jeez. Number one animated film of all time? :dubious: [/QUOTE] Well, it pretty much MADE the genre. I think it’s debatable whether we’d have major animated films at all, or even Disney as a company, had Snow White never existed, or been a flop. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afi-you-officially-suck/453278.md?page=2)