# Afroman punches woman on stage **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034 "2015-02-18T20:44:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/301 "2015-02-25T12:03:39Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > No idea what paper bag parties or pencil tests are, should I have? “You’re darker than this paper bag, so get in that line over there, darkie”. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/302 "2015-02-25T12:10:19Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I don’t recall _ever_ posting in a “race realist” thread. Exactly - yet you presume to have an opinion on whether people like **mags** are, in fact, racist or not, and whether I am right to call him so or not… > [@](#): > > No idea what paper bag parties or pencil tests are, should I have? They’re racial tests (one [ingroup](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_bag_party), one [outgroup](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pencil_test_%28South_Africa%29)) only _very slightly_ less sophisticated than your “dark skin+kinky hair = Black” methodology. At least you use _both_ criteria :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/303 "2015-02-25T12:13:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “You’re darker than this paper bag, so get in that line over there, darkie”. To be fair, it was the less-dark African Americans doing it to the darker African Americans… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/304 "2015-02-25T12:22:00Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > To be fair, it was the less-dark African Americans doing it to the darker African Americans… I stand corrected. I’ll note that in-group racism/colorism was encouraged by the ruling white supremacists in both the US and South Africa (from what I understand – please correct me if I’m wrong) to help divide the oppressed – the ‘less oppressed’ groups (‘High Yellow, mulattoes, quadroons, and octaroons’ in the US, and ‘colored’ in SA) sometimes supported the status quo against the most oppressed groups because they were worried that without it, they would suffer even more. An insidiously effective form of manipulation. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/305 "2015-02-25T12:31:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I stand corrected. I’ll note that in-group racism/colorism was encouraged by the ruling white supremacists in both the US and South Africa (from what I understand – please correct me if I’m wrong) to help divide the oppressed – the ‘less oppressed’ groups (‘High Yellow, mulattoes, quadroons, and octaroons’ in the US, and ‘colored’ in SA) sometimes supported the status quo against the most oppressed groups because they were worried that without it, they would suffer even more. An insidiously effective form of manipulation. Yes - but that doesn’t excuse the less-oppressed from doing the oppressor’s work for them. In fact, in some ways, it’s worse. You’ll never catch me saying (in any serious context) that Black people can’t be racist. And just FYI, it’s “Coloured”, the correct spelling is important, it distinguishes it from the outdated American term. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/306 "2015-02-25T12:36:01Z")
Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/307 "2015-02-25T13:34:59Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > {…} They’re racial tests (one [ingroup](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_bag_party), one [outgroup](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pencil_test_%28South_Africa%29)) {…} So if a South African woman says she want to do a pencil test with me and I think “Yea [pencil test](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pencil_test_%28breasts%29)! I’m gonna play with boobies!” . . . I’m probably gonna be very disappointed. Damn you cultural differences! Damn you all to hell!!! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/308 "2015-02-25T16:03:27Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > To be fair, it was the less-dark African Americans doing it to the darker African Americans… Another example of African Americans being racist. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/309 "2015-02-25T16:10:59Z")
Haven’t had your coffee yet, **Drunky**? That was well below your usual. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/310 "2015-02-25T16:16:34Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Haven’t had your coffee yet, **Drunky**? That was well below your usual. Only racists drink coffee. Since I am not a racist I don’t drink the racist brew. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/311 "2015-02-25T16:22:29Z")
I meant “coffee” of course. At least, that’s what I tell my kid I have in my mug all day. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/312 "2015-02-25T16:46:46Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Only racists drink coffee. Since I am not a racist I don’t drink the racist brew. I like mine like I like my women: iced. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/313 "2015-02-25T16:51:05Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I like mine like I like my women: iced. I saw you order a flat white, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/314 "2015-02-25T17:06:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Exactly - yet you presume to have an opinion on whether people like **mags** are, in fact, racist or not, and whether I am right to call him so or not… Not posted in =/= not read. > [@](#): > > They’re racial tests (one [ingroup](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_bag_party), one [outgroup](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pencil_test_%28South_Africa%29)) only _very slightly_ less sophisticated than your “dark skin+kinky hair = Black” methodology. At least you use _both_ criteria :rolleyes: Why thankyou. And no, that’s not my criterion, it is “if someone identifies as black, they’re black”. It’s simply an observation that the vast majority of those that do so have brown skin and kinky hair. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/315 "2015-02-25T17:32:41Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > And no, that’s not my criterion, it is “if someone identifies as black, they’re black”. It’s simply an observation that the vast majority of those that do so have brown skin and kinky hair. But when hundreds of millions (and maybe a billion or more) people who have brown or darker skin don’t identify as “black”, then I think skin color becomes a rather useless and counterproductive identifier of race. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/316 "2015-02-25T18:18:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > But when hundreds of millions (and maybe a billion or more) people who have brown or darker skin don’t identify as “black”, then I think skin color becomes a rather useless and counterproductive identifier of race. Yeah, hence the dark skin _and_ curly hair. The hair is enough of an identifier that the actual subject of this thread (there was one, once) named himself for it… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/317 "2015-02-26T07:45:27Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Yeah, hence the dark skin _and_ curly hair. Except - most of those dark non-Blacks also have the curly hair. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/318 "2015-02-26T07:49:13Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Not posted in =/= not read. Seeing racist shit and not posting about it is tacit approval. Same for only calling out the people actually opposing said racists. > [@](#): > > And no, that’s not my criterion, it is “if someone identifies as black, they’re black” Like I said, _most_ of the people racists consider “Black” don’t consider themselves anything. They don’t have much cause to consider race at all, they’re much more concerned with finer distinctions like tribe or ethnicity. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/319 "2015-02-26T07:52:31Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Except - most of those dark non-Blacks also have the curly hair. You should probably have a look at India or Pakistan sometime. Over a billion dark skinned, straight or straight-ish haired people. Also south-east Asia, and many other places. It wouldn’t surprise me if they outnumber people with dark skin and kinky hair (black or otherwise). The majority of people on this planet have non-white skin and straight hair. Specifically, skin that’s a shade of beige. I expect there’s more East Asians than black and white people combined. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/320 "2015-02-26T09:25:53Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You should probably have a look at India or Pakistan sometime. Over a billion dark skinned, straight or straight-ish haired people. The only Indians I’d characterise as “dark skinned” are Southern Indians, and I wouldn’t characterise any Pakistanis as such. I think there are only a couple hundred million, not a billion. And Dravidian hair runs the gamut from arrow-straight to pretty curly. Not afro-kinky, it’s true. But, point taken, I should have said “many”, not “most”. > [@](#): > > The majority of people on this planet have non-white skin and straight hair. Specifically, skin that’s a shade of beige. > > > [@](#): > > > > I can’t see _any_ difference between the range of East Asian skin tones and the range of European skin tones. “Beige” describes all of them. > > I expect there’s more East Asians than black and white people combined. I doubt it. Not combined. More Asians overall, yes. But there are just 1.5 billion East Asians and at least 900 million Black Africans. 700 million Europeans, most of whom are White or Black. Then there’s Americans, Brazilians…it starts adding up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034.md?page=17)