# Afroman punches woman on stage **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034 "2015-02-18T20:44:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/61 "2015-02-19T04:20:15Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > When Keith Richards guitar beats a dude on stage, then it’s just [rock n roll](http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=keith+richards+video+punch+guy+on+stage&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=8EC213E34143DA09D1898EC213E34143DA09D189) instead of rap? I was racking my brain trying to remember where I’ve seen something like this before. That’s the incident I was thinking of. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/62 "2015-02-19T04:51:34Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > When Keith Richards guitar beats a dude on stage, then it’s just [rock n roll](http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=keith+richards+video+punch+guy+on+stage&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=8EC213E34143DA09D1898EC213E34143DA09D189) instead of rap? I know it’s only rock and roll, but I like it. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/63 "2015-02-19T05:10:10Z")
So people are taking a stand against sexism by using…racism? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/64 "2015-02-19T05:11:32Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > You really are too dumb for words. Here’s a tip for you chum: When you’re the one who doesn’t have the words to express himself and argue a point successfully, the other guy isn’t the dumb one. Hope that helps. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/65 "2015-02-19T05:19:57Z")
> [@Gerald\_II](#): > > I didn’t grow up during that era of rock n roll. Did it have a reputation for an abundance of subject matter involving misandry or violence towards men? > > [Afroman-“Bitch, Bitch”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh36cZC-BMg) > > [Afroman-"Fuck you bitch, Goodbye](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NalwtUi_KA4) > > “I never met a punk bitch like you/ I want to beat you black and blue” I don’t know about “a reputation for an abundance of subject matter involving misandry or violence towards _ **men** _.” But it did against _ **women** _. Assuming that was a typo…and assuming that the performer reacted to a stranger on stage instead of specifically reacting to a woman on stage… Rolling Stones circa 1976 released the album Black and Blue. Part of the promo featured model Anita Russell on a [billboard in LA](http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=rolling+stones+black+and+blue+billboard&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=F0D38D3EBDD61CB287DC6935D9B809EFD13122E0&selectedIndex=1), bound by Jagger under the phrase “I’m Black and Blue from the Rolling Stones—and I love it!” The billboard was removed after protests by the feminist group Women Against Violence Against Women, although it earned the band widespread press coverage. Here is the wiki write up which jives with my adolescent memory of when the album was released: [Black and Blue - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Blue) ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/66 "2015-02-19T05:38:26Z")
Let us not forget Pete Townsend kicking Abbie Hoffman in the nuts, at Woodstock for getting in his stage space! ---
**Author:** ![Gerald\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Gerald\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gerald_II)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/67 "2015-02-19T05:47:15Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > I don’t know about “a reputation for an abundance of subject matter involving misandry or violence towards _ **men** _.” But it did against _ **women** _. Assuming that was a typo…and assuming that the performer reacted to a stranger on stage instead of specifically reacting to a woman on stage… The reason I put men is because the video you linked to was Keith Richards assaulting a man with the quote “then it’s just rock n roll.” > [@](#): > > Rolling Stones circa 1976 released the album Black and Blue. Part of the promo featured model Anita Russell on a [billboard in LA](http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=rolling+stones+black+and+blue+billboard&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=F0D38D3EBDD61CB287DC6935D9B809EFD13122E0&selectedIndex=1), bound by Jagger under the phrase “I’m Black and Blue from the Rolling Stones—and I love it!” The billboard was removed after protests by the feminist group Women Against Violence Against Women, although it earned the band widespread press coverage. > > Here is the wiki write up which jives with my adolescent memory of when the album was released: [Black and Blue - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Blue) Thanks for the link. Just googled the billboard. That looks fucked up. I agree with the critics of that billboard. Yeah, The Rolling Stones got more press coverage but it’s a no-win situation. If you don’t speak up you’re part of a society and culture who tolerates these types of things, and if you do, you give the people involved notoriety which will garner them free promotion. And I assume that some people market themselves that way with that in mind. Was misogyny, specifically hate and violence towards women towards women prevalent in Rock n Roll? I know that sex and drugs were allegedly themes of rock n roll that critics used to denounce the genre but I haven’t heard much about violence towards women. I wouldn’t cite Afroman’s assault on the woman as contributing to the hip-hop’s reputation because I myself didn’t even know he was a rapper. I thought he was pop or novelty-pop. But I grew up listening to hip-hop and while the genre itself isn’t misogynistic, there’s an substantial amount of misogyny in songs by mainstream rappers as well as an acceptance of it outside of the studio. Off top I can think of N.W.A’s “A Bitch iz a Bitch,” “One Less Bitch,” to Snoop Doggy Dogg/Snoop Lion having an actual pimp be his “spiritual advisor” and admitting that he actually began pimping in the mid-to-late 2000s but stopped because he fell in love with one of his prostitutes. ---
**Author:** ![dude77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@dude77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dude77)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/68 "2015-02-19T08:03:00Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > He had no idea who or what he was hitting. > > Watch the video. He started swinging as soon as he got bumped from behind. > > If it happened to be a man no one would think twice. > > He gets a pass. > [@Stringbean](#): > > I definitely did NOT notice him acknowledge the girl in the very beginning of the video. > > He WAYYYY over-reacted. lol why are you trying so hard to excuse this shit behavior ? lets say he didn’t ‘notice’ who it was … the guy just finished violently hitting someone and knocking them onto the floor and he just kept playing and ignored what he had just done … that’s more disturbing than anything else … either he was high or he’s a borderline psychopath ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/69 "2015-02-19T08:26:36Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Here’s a tip for you chum: When you’re the one who doesn’t have the words to express himself and argue a point successfully, the other guy isn’t the dumb one. > > Hope that helps. OK, let me explain it for you in words that even a fucking bag-of-hammers idiot like you might understand. Everyone understood that your intent was to be insulting to the guy. You didn’t need to explain that, because we are not as dumb as you, and we got it the first time. The point being made here is that, even if you do intend to insult someone, it is the act of a bigoted asshole to insult them using slurs related to their race, ethnicity, sexuality, etc. There are plenty of ways to insult people without doing that. Do you understand the concept? Let me provide an example. I don’t know much about you, except that you’re a fucking moron, but let’s assume for the sake of this little hypothetical exercise that you come from an Italian background. And let’s assume that you’ve done or said something really fucking dumb (i know, not much of a stretch). It would not be especially problematic for someone to say, in response: “That **magellan01** guy is a fucking moron.” or “That **magellan01** guy is a major douchebag.” or “That **magellan01** guy is a dribbling idiot.” or “That **magellan01** guy has shit for brains.” It would, however, be bigoted and offensive for someone to say: “That **magellan01** guy is a dumb greasy wop.” The first group are descriptions of you as an individual. The others attempt to insult you by reference to a group that bears no responsibility for your own particular idiocy. Similarly, there is nothing wrong with insulting the musician in question here for being a fucking violent asshole. It’s when you insult him using terms that are racial in character that you mark yourself as a bigoted fuckwad. Do you understand the distinction being drawn here. Do you need further examples, or an even more remedial explanation of the concept? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/70 "2015-02-19T11:43:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Unbeknownst to the common humans, among the powers \*\*Superdude \*\*has is to know all the names of the superheroes and super villains, no matter how obscure. From A-Bomb to Zoom. > > 🙂 You’d be surprised at how many teenage superhero and supervillain names start with the letter “F.” ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/71 "2015-02-19T12:06:43Z")
Hey, now, people - **mags** was just being _racial_, not _racist_. There’s a difference. [Apparently](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17527430&postcount=74). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/72 "2015-02-19T12:34:50Z")
**magellan01** – are you saying “nappy” isn’t a racist slur, or are you saying that it may be a racist slur but you think it’s appropriate to use racist slurs when insulting jerks? ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/73 "2015-02-19T12:41:20Z")
It all turned out much more happily in Sydney last year. Alex, a young _NOFX_ fan, jumped on stage and grabbed “Fat Mike” Burkett by the neck. Burnett backhanded him and then kicked him in the face. Both Alex and Burkett [were apologetic](http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/nofx-lead-singer-kicks-stageinvader-in-the-face-20141106-11hpyb.html). With unerring commercial smarts _NOFX_, at their next gig, were selling t-shirts with a photo of the incident on the front. Alex meanwhile not only got to model the t-shirt but sang [Linoleum with the band.](http://www.fasterlouder.com.au/news/41140/The-fan-that-got-kicked-by-Fat-Mike-got-a-do-over-at-NOFX-last-night) I guess punk has more soul than rap. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/74 "2015-02-19T12:54:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > **magellan01** – are you saying “nappy” isn’t a racist slur, … It’s news to me that it’s a racist slur. The word describes a type of hair, not, as **BigT** so ignorantly describes, “unkempt and unmaintained”, but “having many tight bends or curls”. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/75 "2015-02-19T12:56:56Z")
On the one hand, Afroman appears to be a dick. On the other hand, anyone mounting the stage (without a clear invitation) shouldn’t be surprised if security hurts them in some way. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/76 "2015-02-19T13:03:14Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > It’s news to me that it’s a racist slur. The word describes a type of hair, not, as **BigT** so ignorantly describes, “unkempt and unmaintained”, but “having many tight bends or curls”. My understanding is that it’s not always a racial slur, but it often is, especially when used as an insult. There’s [history behind it](http://www.commondreams.org/views/2007/04/12/why-nappy-offensive), as there usually is for problematic terms. Another example [here](http://laist.com/2012/06/01/teacher_calls_student_nappy-headed.php). In short, it’s been used as just another way to identify being black as ‘other’ and ‘not normal’ – that their natural features are somehow ‘wrong’ for society (such as requirements that black women can’t wear their hair with natural texture for certain jobs). ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/77 "2015-02-19T13:03:17Z")
> [@dude77](#): > > lol why are you trying so hard to excuse this shit behavior ? > > lets say he didn’t ‘notice’ who it was … the guy just finished violently hitting someone and knocking them onto the floor and he just kept playing and ignored what he had just done … that’s more disturbing than anything else … either he was high or he’s a borderline psychopath I don’t think that **Stringbean** is trying to excuse anything. The way I read her comment was “I didn’t see him see her at the very beginning of the clip when I first watched it. It wasn’t until I saw it again that I realized that he was aware of her before she bumped his hip, then he leveled her.” I could be wrong about that. I’m not trying to speak for **Stringbean** (and if I’ve misinterpreted your thoughts, **Stringbean** , I apologize). But that was the way I understood her comment. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/78 "2015-02-19T13:08:30Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > OK, let me explain it for you in words that even a fucking bag-of-hammers idiot like you might understand. > > Everyone understood that your intent was to be insulting to the guy. You didn’t need to explain that, because we are not as dumb as you, and we got it the first time. > > The point being made here is that, even if you do intend to insult someone, it is the act of a bigoted asshole to insult them using slurs related to their race, ethnicity, sexuality, etc. There are plenty of ways to insult people without doing that. Do you understand the concept? > > Let me provide an example. I don’t know much about you, except that you’re a fucking moron, but let’s assume for the sake of this little hypothetical exercise that you come from an Italian background. And let’s assume that you’ve done or said something really fucking dumb (i know, not much of a stretch). > > It would not be especially problematic for someone to say, in response: > > “That **magellan01** guy is a fucking moron.” > > or > > “That **magellan01** guy is a major douchebag.” > > or > > “That **magellan01** guy is a dribbling idiot.” > > or > > “That **magellan01** guy has shit for brains.” > It would, however, be bigoted and offensive for someone to say: > > “That **magellan01** guy is a dumb greasy wop.” > The first group are descriptions of you as an individual. The others attempt to insult you by reference to a group that bears no responsibility for your own particular idiocy. Similarly, there is nothing wrong with insulting the musician in question here for being a fucking violent asshole. It’s when you insult him using terms that are racial in character that you mark yourself as a bigoted fuckwad. > > Do you understand the distinction being drawn here. Do you need further examples, or an even more remedial explanation of the concept? I like your analogy. If someone said that to me after a punched a girl in the face, it would be fine. I wouldn’t characterize the insult as racist. If I had physical features that might inspire him to refer to me as a “dumb, greasy, fat, buck-toothed, one-eyed, spaghetti-eating wop”, that, too, would be fine. Their _intent_ is to disparage me. And this ignores the fact that your analogy goes much further than I did. Let’s look at my comment. I made a short offhanded comment that someone called Afroman should have his nappy ass thrown ion jail after punching a girl in the face. :eek: Oh, the horrors! If I would have said, “He should have his black ass thrown in jail”, is that racist? If I would have said, “He should have his afro-wearing ass thrown in jail”, is that racist? The “nappy-headed” term was an _intent_ to disparage. Or would you prefer the comment be more along the lines of, “He and his very attractive, beautiful afro should be thrown in jail”. Your so demented on this shit I have no idea where you would even come out on any of it. You might even be as blind here as **Dibble** , who, evidently, thinks everything racial is racist. The problem is not with my throw-away comment. The problem is assholes like you looking for any excuse, real or imagined, to whine, “Racist.”, “That’s racist.” The fact that my short comment that someone called Afroman should have his nappy ass thrown in jail registered at all your Acme Racist Meter shows that either it, or you, need recalibration. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/79 "2015-02-19T13:14:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > **magellan01** – are you saying “nappy” isn’t a racist slur, or are you saying that it may be a racist slur but you think it’s appropriate to use racist slurs when insulting jerks? It’s a disparaging way to refer to his hair. Woe is me for not alluding to the nobility and beauty of his hair, as it is a testament to the nobility and beauty of black people everywhere, as I recommended that the scumbag who punched a girl in the face be locked up. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/80 "2015-02-19T13:15:43Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > It’s a disparaging way to refer to his hair. Woe is me for not alluding to the nobility and beauty of his hair, as it is a testament to the nobility and beauty of black people everywhere, as I recommended that the scumbag who punched a girl in the face be locked up. Okay. My understanding is that “nappy”, when used disparagingly, is offensive to some, since it implies that one of the natural features of black people is somehow ugly or unacceptable in society. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034.md?page=5)