# Afroman punches woman on stage **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034 "2015-02-18T20:44:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/81 "2015-02-19T13:18:58Z")
Not a huge deal. I try to avoid words that many find offensive – further, it makes sense to me that many would find a word offensive if, when used derogatorily, it implies that the natural features of a certain group is unattractive or unacceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/82 "2015-02-19T13:23:37Z")
I don’t know whose side of the “nappy” argument this supports, but I wonder what the hip-hop band [Nappy Roots](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nappy_Roots) thinks. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/83 "2015-02-19T13:28:42Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I don’t know whose side of the “nappy” argument this supports, but I wonder what the hip-hop band [Nappy Roots](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nappy_Roots) thinks. Probably the same thing NWA thinks about the word nigger… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/84 "2015-02-19T13:30:21Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > It’s news to me that it’s a racist slur. So, not a [Don Imus](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Imus#Rutgers_women.27s_basketball_controversy)fan, I can take it? ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/85 "2015-02-19T13:56:21Z")
That was an insane overreaction. > [@Frank](#): > > It’s news to me that it’s a racist slur. The word describes a type of hair, not, as **BigT** so ignorantly describes, “unkempt and unmaintained”, but “having many tight bends or curls”. Actually, BigT is right, too. Nappy isn’t a neutral term, like straight, or curly anymore, if it ever was. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/86 "2015-02-19T14:44:55Z")
> [@dude77](#): > > … either he was high or he’s a borderline psychopath I’m just going to throw out one other possibility that you can all jump all over me about… Or he just lost his temper and over-reacted to yet another drunken party-er who thought that the listening audience came there to see her cool dance moves instead of the performers who practiced their whole lifetimes just to get up on stage and get the well earned attention of the audience. just a theory…go ahead and admonish me for not screaming in outrage over the whole thing ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/87 "2015-02-19T15:53:39Z")
**BubbaDog** , for me a key determinant in how to see this incident revolves not just around the blow itself, but his reaction afterwards. If he had looked down and seen the woman on the ground and immediately gone “Oh, fuck, what the hell did i do?”, i could probably buy your scenario. But he decked her, and kept playing as if nothing had even happened. I can imagine myself lashing out unthinkingly if i were startled or whatever. I can’t imagine myself looking down at a flattened, bleeding young woman who i had just decked, shrugging it off, and leaving her on the floor. > [@magellan01](#): > > If I would have said, “He should have his black ass thrown in jail”, is that racist? It would indicate, at a minimum, that you feel the need to make references to race in order to call attention to the personal failings of individuals. Personally, i’d be more inclined to say “his violent ass” or “his stupid ass” or something like that. You know? Something that actually alludes to the reason for his shitty actions. Do you believe that his actions are a product of the color of his skin, or a product of his own personal characteristics? If you believe the former, then by all means use racial terms to disparage him. Just don’t be surprised when other people think you’re an asshole for doing so. > [@magellan01](#): > > The problem is not with my throw-away comment. The problem is assholes like you looking for any excuse, real or imagined, to whine, “Racist.”, “That’s racist.” The fact that my short comment that someone called Afroman should have his nappy ass thrown in jail registered at all your Acme Racist Meter shows that either it, or you, need recalibration. The fact that people like you make racially-based “throw-away comments,” and think that calling them “throw-away comments” makes them reasonable, is the problem. Is “nappy-headed” the worst racial insult in the world? No, it’s not. But it’s not merely a neutral description of a hairstyle either, and you know it very well. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/88 "2015-02-19T15:57:51Z")
> [@Omega\_Glory](#): > > That was an insane overreaction. > > Actually, BigT is right, too. Nappy isn’t a neutral term, like straight, or curly anymore, if it ever was. Etymonline has the colloquial or derogatory use [going back to 1950](http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=nappy&searchmode=none). As I know the word, the connotation is generally negative and racial. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/89 "2015-02-19T16:08:05Z")
And **magellan** knows that very well. Actually… **magellan** , did you really just say that racist epithets are perfectly acceptable as long as they’re used as insults? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/90 "2015-02-19T16:19:26Z")
> [@andros](#): > > And **magellan** knows that very well. Oh, I have no doubt the intent was provocation. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/91 "2015-02-19T16:28:36Z")
He’s given what I consider a plausible explanation: [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ZPPCo8AbI) The truth? I don’t know. But believable. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/92 "2015-02-19T16:38:06Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > If I would have said, “He should have his black ass thrown in jail”, is that racist? :smack: Why yes, yes it is. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/93 "2015-02-19T17:15:13Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Your so demented on this shit … It’s “you’re”, you dumb greasy wop. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/94 "2015-02-19T17:17:48Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Actually… > > **magellan** , did you really just say that racist epithets are perfectly acceptable as long as they’re used as insults? No, he claimed that racial epithets used as insults aren’t (necessarily) racist. Such as the aforementioned “throw his black ass in jail”, which is clearly not an inherently racist statement. Basically, he’s rejecting the idea that any mention of race, in a non-complimentary fashion, is racist. Which is how it should be, obviously (I’d hope), but there’s far too many ridiculously oversensitive people out there (Hi **MrDribble** ), who look for racism in everything. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/95 "2015-02-19T17:19:28Z")
nvm ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/96 "2015-02-19T17:23:36Z")
> [@planetcory](#): > > He’s given what I consider a plausible explanation: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ZPPCo8AbI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ZPPCo8AbI) > > The truth? I don’t know. But believable. Plausible, yes. Maybe believable. If I had any more knowledge of the guy, or an emotional connection, I might give him the benefit of the doubt. I don’t believe he hit her because she was a woman, or because he’s innately violent. But I believe he reacted extremely poorly and stupidly. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/97 "2015-02-19T17:24:36Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > No, he claimed that racial epithets used as insults aren’t (necessarily) racist. Such as the aforementioned “throw his black ass in jail”, which is clearly not an inherently racist statement. It’s not? How so? ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/98 "2015-02-19T17:50:05Z")
> [@planetcory](#): > > He’s given what I consider a plausible explanation: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ZPPCo8AbI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ZPPCo8AbI) > > The truth? I don’t know. But believable. He also said, I believe in a comment released by his agent, that there was little to no security at that place which is why people kept getting up on stage and why the chick that got smacked was up on stage for so long. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/99 "2015-02-19T17:54:30Z")
> [@andros](#): > > It’s not? How so? As Louie CK would say: It’s not relevant to the issue, just painting a picture. (I’m sure I screwed that quote up somehow but the gist is the same.) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/100 "2015-02-19T17:57:02Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > I’m just going to throw out one other possibility that you can all jump all over me about… > > Or he just lost his temper and over-reacted to yet another drunken party-er who thought that the listening audience came there to see her cool dance moves instead of the performers who practiced their whole lifetimes just to get up on stage and get the well earned attention of the audience. > just a theory…go ahead and admonish me for not screaming in outrage over the whole thing I’m torn. I mean, I see your point. And it does seem reasonable. I did not see the whole video. the TMZ will not play for me at work. I was able to view another that showed only roundhouse slap\punch. I did not see the events leading up to that or his reaction afterward. He was quoted as saying he had complained, asked security to take care of it, but they did not. (And I keep asking 'Where the fuck was Security? Coffee break?) **Dont Ask** relays the incident last year of Fat Mike from NOFX hitting and then kicking a fan in the face after that fan had got up on stage. We seem to have a different reaction to that one. Is it OK if the performer hits a guy? Do we think the stage crasher got what he deserved? (well, yeah, kind of…) Both the stage crasher and Fat Mike issued apologies. Afroman also issued an apology. At least one poster has said it is not OK whether its a man or a woman. We do not seem to really believe that. If it was a guy, I don’t think any, well many, of us would care that much. He should not have hit her, and he did get arrested. She should not have been there. And the security team should all be looking for jobs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034.md?page=6)