# Afroman punches woman on stage **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034 "2015-02-18T20:44:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/121 "2015-02-20T03:41:13Z")
> [@Nancarrow](#): > > I hope an incident like this doesn’t tarnish rap music’s sterling record regarding misogynistic violence. Do you actually know what rap music is?? > [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > It’s “you’re”, you dumb greasy wop. Stop acting all snooty like your English is any better than his. You understood wtf he meant, so no one was incorrect in any conceivable way. Except for you. For being so elitist. 🆒 > [@Steophan](#): > > Obviously it’s making a statement about his race. He, and his arse, are black. Stating that is not, of itself, racist. > > There’s a couple of reasons one might bring it up, one of which is racism. That would be pretty easy to figure out from context, but not from the statement itself. The other is euphony, that it is a sentence that just \*sounds \* better, and more emphatic, than without additional word. Ok, but _why_ does the sentence sound better by including "throw his _black_ ass in jail, rather than just “throw his ass in jail”? It’s because of the negative connotations associated with the word “black”. No one ever says “throw his athletic ass in jail”. Or “throw his white ass in jail”. Or on and on. > [@magellan01](#): > > It’s an attribute of the man. Throw his… > > black > fat > skinny > tough-guy > four-eyed > crossed-eyed > buck-toothed > stupid > macho > misogynistic > pussy > punk > hack > wannabe > > …ass in jail. > > And for the record. I didn’t even refer to “black”. I referred to his nappy hair, which was DIRECTLY related to “African”. And just to tie your two-synapse brain into a not, when I was in high school I had one of the biggest afros in the school, which was about 40% black. > > Please, please, give this stupidity up. Fuck. It’s just SO fucking stupid. And it’s being used as a **negative** attribute of a man and is included here with all these obviously unwanted characteristics. Attributes such as “stupid”, “fat” “misogynistic” lumped in with “black”. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/122 "2015-02-20T03:54:05Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > when I was in high school I had one of the biggest afros in the school Pictures please. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/123 "2015-02-20T03:55:24Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Do you actually know what rap music is?? > > And it’s being used as a **negative** attribute of a man and is included here with all these obviously unwanted characteristics. Attributes such as “stupid”, “fat” “misogynistic” lumped in with “black”. This assume 1) Black is inherently a negative, 2) Afros (one of which, again, I used to have) are inherently negative, 3) that when trying to disparage someone, characterizing an afro as “nappy” is inherently racist. I don’t agree with any of that. Also, I notice how you ignored skinny, fat, and macho. None of which are inherently negative. But one might use them in a negative manner. I see “black” and “nappy” the same way. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/124 "2015-02-20T03:56:27Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Pictures please. Think Juan Epstein from _Welcome Back Kotter._ ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/125 "2015-02-20T04:05:52Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Unless he’d suffered a terrible accident and there hadn’t been any Black donors at the ass bank. I’ve got an ass bank. It’s in my pants. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/126 "2015-02-20T04:16:06Z")
> [@get\_lives](#): > > I’ve got an ass bank. It’s in my pants. Looks nationwide. _flees_ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/127 "2015-02-20T04:45:19Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Think Juan Epstein from _Welcome Back Kotter._ RIP ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/128 "2015-02-20T04:55:59Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Looks nationwide. > > _flees_ > > 😃 I just wish somebody would ask for pics, like with Magellan’s Afro. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/129 "2015-02-20T05:43:45Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Quite possibly, it’s your idea of how not-particularly-racist white guys think that is so fundamentally flawed. I’m going to go with “nope”. Especially because characterizing **mags** as “not-particularly-racist” would be wrong. He’s completely racist, as his posting history shows. > [@](#): > > You genuinely think that any mention of race that isn’t glowing praise is evidence of racism and bigotry. Nope. No such thing - I , for one, mention race all the time. > [@](#): > > Which is absurd and offensive. Not that I imagine you and the giant chip on your shoulder care about the latter. It’s true I don’t care about offending racist shitstains such as yourself and **mags**. But that’s less to do with any chip and more to do with the fact that you’re racist shitstains. > [@](#): > > Here’s something to remember - most things aren’t about race. Well, duh! > [@](#): > > Most things that you think are about race, aren’t about race. That is so frequently shown to be a lie, on these boards. > [@](#): > > No-one in this thread, for example, has been even slightly racist Bullshit. > [@](#): > > - no-one has said Afroman should be treated differently because he’s black. Just called race-based insults. > [@](#): > > If your complaint is that people _mention_ his race Get the fuck out of here with your whitewashing “mention”. His race/racial characteristic was used as part of an insult to him. The hell that’s just a “mention” > [@](#): > > , then my “get the fuck over yourself” stands. No, U, nonnie. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/130 "2015-02-20T06:28:55Z")
1. She shouldn’t have been on the stage. 2. His violent response was completely unnecessary and excessive. 3. If the roles were switched (a man got on stage and a female musician punched him) the female musician would probably be applauded. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/131 "2015-02-20T06:56:04Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Just called race-based insults Nope, not once. You are delusional and paranoid, and you see racists like a John Birch Society member saw commies. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/132 "2015-02-20T07:19:57Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Nope, not once. Tell that to Don Imus. > [@](#): > > You are delusional and paranoid I wish. Then I’d be imagining the little cadre of racists telling me my entire continent is functionally retarded. You know, the people like **Chief** , **Chen** , **Fotheringay** , **Shodan** , **mags** - all the people you regularly feel compelled to defend. > [@](#): > > , and you see racists “I see racists posting just like regular people.” I see racists because there _are_ racists. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/133 "2015-02-20T11:54:17Z")
I’m so conflicted. Oppressed African Americans defending their rights to make a living unmolested, or women proclaiming their sexuality in defiance of slut-shaming patriarchy? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/134 "2015-02-20T12:46:03Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > This assume 1) Black is inherently a negative, 2) Afros (one of which, again, I used to have) are inherently negative, 3) that when trying to disparage someone, characterizing an afro as “nappy” is inherently racist. > > I don’t agree with any of that. Also, I notice how you ignored skinny, fat, and macho. None of which are inherently negative. But one might use them in a negative manner. I see “black” and “nappy” the same way. I see why many people see “nappy” as offensive – it implies that the natural state of many African people’s hair is ugly and unacceptable. “Nappy” is never a positive thing… it’s always negative. Bringing up a past afro hairstyle you had in a discussion about the word “nappy” is as pointless as someone using “some of my best friends are black” as a defense against charges of racism – it’s totally irrelevant to the topic of conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/135 "2015-02-20T12:51:06Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > I’m so conflicted. Oppressed African Americans defending their rights to make a living unmolested, or women proclaiming their sexuality in defiance of slut-shaming patriarchy? I haven’t seen the clip, but I was at a party a decade or so ago when this woman came up to me and stuck her finger up my butt through my shorts. So if it was like that, it crossed the line from transgressive into predatory. But it probably wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/136 "2015-02-20T16:17:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I see why many people see “nappy” as offensive – it implies that the natural state of many African people’s hair is ugly and unacceptable. “Nappy” is never a positive thing… it’s always negative. > > Bringing up a past afro hairstyle you had in a discussion about the word “nappy” is as pointless as someone using “some of my best friends are black” as a defense against charges of racism – it’s totally irrelevant to the topic of conversation. Nope. It demonstrates that afro hair styles, while most common amongst blacks, are not restricted to just black people. That’s step 1. Step 2 is that if someone acts like an asshole and I want to disparage him, it is my intent to describe in in unflattering light. Referring to an afro as nappy is doing joust that. This really isn’t that hard. Except for sad, dumb folk like Dibble who views the world through racist-colored glasses. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/137 "2015-02-20T16:25:36Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Except for sad, dumb folk like Dibble who views the world through racist-colored glasses. Hey, if it goose-steps like a duck… ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/138 "2015-02-20T16:34:43Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Hey, if it goose-steps like a duck… Exactly my point. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/139 "2015-02-20T16:37:43Z")
You have a point? Other than at the tip of your hood, I mean… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034/140 "2015-02-20T16:41:06Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Nope. It demonstrates that afro hair styles, while most common amongst blacks, are not restricted to just black people. Sure, but this is totally irrelevant. What does this have to do with anything regarding this discussion? Who has denied that afros are unique to black people? > [@](#): > > That’s step 1. Step 2 is that if someone acts like an asshole and I want to disparage him, it is my intent to describe in in unflattering light. Referring to an afro as nappy is doing joust that. > > This really isn’t that hard. Except for sad, dumb folk like Dibble who views the world through racist-colored glasses. I don’t think it’s that hard, either. I think “nappy” is quite reasonably considered offensive by some because it implies that natural afro-textured hair (e.g. the hair of most black people) is ugly, disgusting, or otherwise unacceptable. The word “nappy” is not a neutral descriptor – it nearly always has a negative connotation. Not a huge deal, and not that hard. Saying “nappy” doesn’t make someone a racist. But I avoid using such words in such ways, because I think many people are offended for reasonable reasons by this sort of usage. It’s a lot like “throw his watermelon eating ass in jail”, to me. This sort of language has a lot of very ugly history, and that’s enough reason to avoid such usage, in my view. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/afroman-punches-woman-on-stage/713034.md?page=8)