# After a Hillary win... **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 3, 2016, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049 "2016-01-03T09:12:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/21 "2016-01-03T23:42:02Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > 1. Do you anticipate any major policy changes under a Hillary administration? Maybe immigration reform if the GOP is honestly tired of losing. > [@](#): > > 1. If things do go bad do you think the democratic party will put the blame on Hillary and seek to oust her early or will they stand behind her no matter what? Go bad how? like everything is mostly ok but rightwingers still think Obama is the worst president ever bad? In order for one side to think things are going badly the other has to be happy with the result, and i seriously doubt she is going to be making the right happy. I think things are going to go much like they did with Obama, slowly trending towards good with the GOP doing their best to drag the country down. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/22 "2016-01-04T03:22:52Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Presumed by whom, and on what basis? Google Hillary Gun Control for several hours reading. Just for starters, she’s on record as wanting the law protecting gun manufacturers and dealers from being sued for crimes committed with their guns repealed. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/23 "2016-01-04T04:05:43Z")
Ravenman is right that losing is a dumb strategy, but sometimes it is better to lose. The Democrats were definitely better off with Kerry losing the 2004 election. Clinton winning would probably be better for Congressional and Senate Republicans, at least those that don’t lose in 2016 from her coattails. 2018 is already a vicious map for Democrats and will be more vicious if Clinton is in the White House than if a Republican is. Plus, as hard as it is to win three straight terms for your party, winning four hasn’t been done since FDR. Plus it would give Republicans four more years to hash out their differences and perhaps present a more unified face in 2020. Meanwhile, Clinton may find it hard to keep the Dem coalition together. I expect a lot more activity from groups like BLM and Occupy during a Clinton administration. Plus the lady don’t play when it comes to killing our enemies, so she could have an LBJ effect on the party if the base isn’t down with a tougher war on ISIS. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/24 "2016-01-04T04:28:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Ravenman is right that losing is a dumb strategy, but sometimes it is better to lose. The Democrats were definitely better off with Kerry losing the 2004 election. > > Clinton winning would probably be better for Congressional and Senate Republicans, at least those that don’t lose in 2016 from her coattails. 2018 is already a vicious map for Democrats and will be more vicious if Clinton is in the White House than if a Republican is. Plus, as hard as it is to win three straight terms for your party, winning four hasn’t been done since FDR. Plus it would give Republicans four more years to hash out their differences and perhaps present a more unified face in 2020. In 2012 it was clear what they needed to do, but instead they decided nothing needed to be learned so they doubled down. It will eventually not work in mid-terms as it is not working in the presidential ones. > [@adaher](#): > > Meanwhile, Clinton may find it hard to keep the Dem coalition together. I expect a lot more activity from groups like BLM and Occupy during a Clinton administration. Plus the lady don’t play when it comes to killing our enemies, so she could have an LBJ effect on the party if the base isn’t down with a tougher war on ISIS. As pointed before Clinton did attend the recent 60th anniversary of Rosa Parks Bus protest, no Republican did bother to attend, not even Carson. And I still have trouble finding people that opposed killing that Bin Laden guy… ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/25 "2016-01-04T05:12:41Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Presumed by whom, and on what basis? Based on history. Hillary Clinton will, like every previous Democratic President in the last fifty years, have all guns confiscated on her first day in office. According to credible sources, Lyndon Johnson confiscated all the guns in America, Jimmy Carter confiscated all the guns in America, Bill Clinton confiscated all the guns in America, and Barack Obama confiscated all the guns in America - and obviously Hillary Clinton will do the same. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/26 "2016-01-04T06:46:17Z")
Feels to me like Obama is doing strategic and coordinated work on gun control now - it would be naive to not see this as part of an overlapping strategy between an administration with nothing to lose and an administration with an opposition in disarray. You have to assume present and future Democrat administrations are clear on the the potential of an extended timeline. At some point this becomes a job share … ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/27 "2016-01-04T06:50:54Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I think you underestimate the power of the rural & small town vote. It is white, un-/under-educated, evangelical and staying that way UFN. > > Because of the way the electoral college & Congress is constructed, that group has voting power 2 or 3x what its absolute numbers indicate. > > The R party of 2040 will stand for somewhat different ideas than the R party of 1960 or 2016 did/does. But there will still be (comparatively) conservative people who’s (comparatively) troglodytic ideas are anathema to the (comparatively) progressive other people of that or any era. > > The details change. Politics is eternal. Said another way: > > The Rs will always be with us. Of course in a system like the US’s there will always be two main parties. The way votes are counted would have to be changed for that to change. ---
**Author:** ![TheAllSeeingEye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/919ad9/32.png) [@TheAllSeeingEye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheAllSeeingEye)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/28 "2016-01-04T10:28:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What do you think a woman governs like? bathory, thatcher, elizabeth first, catherine of russia, victoria The poor get hell, the rich get very very rich, and for decades after the country is broken and the colonies starve. So no different to the worst men ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/29 "2016-01-04T14:53:34Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Of course in a system like the US’s there will always be two main parties. The way votes are counted would have to be changed for that to change. All true. I was responding to the folks who seemed to be saying that demographics would ensure that the know-nothing branch of conservatism was fore-ordained to fade from the scene forever starting in 2016. Which is obviously silly. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/30 "2016-01-04T16:18:06Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What do you think a woman governs like? Like a man, but more womany. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/31 "2016-01-04T16:20:25Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > 1. If things do go bad do you think the democratic party will put the blame on Hillary and seek to oust her early or will they stand behind her no matter what? It would take more than things going bad for a major American political party not to stand behind a sitting POTUS of that party, it would take Nixon-level crimes. Of course, if things are going bad and the POTUS wants a second term, that party’s primaries are wide open – but, judging by the experiences of Ford and Reagan in 1976 and Carter and Kennedy in 1980, it wouldn’t much matter. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/32 "2016-01-04T16:22:30Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What do you think a woman governs like? A female cop pulls over a male driver. DRIVER: What did I do wrong, Officer? COP: _sigh_ Oh, nothing . . . ☹ ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/33 "2016-01-04T16:38:44Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What do you think a woman governs like? It was more a response to **elucidator’s** post, just prior to mine, so maybe you should ask him. But it was also in response to her claim that she would still be picking the flowers for state dinners. At any rate, there seems to be this meme that women are more into consensus building and less trigger happy than men are. If we take that as having some truth, I expect Hillary to be more on the male end of that spectrum than on the female end. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/34 "2016-01-04T18:39:14Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > It was more a response to **elucidator’s** post, just prior to mine, so maybe you should ask him… Oh, sure, blame the hippy! I don’t fault you for not stepping into the trap, but did you have to shove me into it? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/35 "2016-01-04T18:48:52Z")
1- I anticipate no major policy changes. Domestically, Hillary and Obama are pretty close and in foreign affairs, she has been a bit more of a hawk, though I think her term as Secretary of State has given her a bit more respect for diplomacy. 2- I don’t anticipate things going downhill, but if they do she may choose not to run again. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/36 "2016-01-05T00:01:49Z")
Hillary cravenly and transparently seeks power. She’ll overplay her hand early on and come back to earth. Just like Obama after the ACA. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/37 "2016-01-05T00:04:23Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Hillary cravenly and transparently seeks power. > > She’ll overplay her hand early on and come back to earth. **Just like Obama after the ACA.** What **on** Earth are you talking about?! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/38 "2016-01-05T00:05:38Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Hillary cravenly and transparently seeks power. > > She’ll overplay her hand early on and come back to earth. Just like Obama after the ACA. Yep, therefore she will be reelected in 2020. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/39 "2016-01-05T00:27:37Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Hillary cravenly and transparently seeks power. > > She’ll overplay her hand early on and come back to earth. Just like Obama after the ACA. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What **on** Earth are you talking about?! Seriously. If anything, Obama didn’t play enough of a hand. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/40 "2016-01-05T02:29:51Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What do you think a woman governs like? Hillary Clinton will govern pretty much like any other President. But we’ll be able to pay her eighty thousand dollars a year less. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049.md?page=3)