# After a Hillary win... **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 3, 2016, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049 "2016-01-03T09:12:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/41 "2016-01-05T06:03:38Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Hillary cravenly and transparently seeks power. In contrast to the oh-so-many presidential candidates who were desperately trying to avoid power. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/42 "2016-01-05T08:09:16Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Hillary cravenly and transparently seeks power. > > She’ll overplay her hand early on and come back to earth. Just like Obama after the ACA. Cliche, metaphor and trolling overload. Should work harder 2/10 ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/43 "2016-01-05T09:31:23Z")
Clinton’s a little smarter than Obama, I think. I think she’ll play her hand to perfection. The campaigning is actually going to be her weakest time. As President she’ll probably be much stronger. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/44 "2016-01-05T11:41:08Z")
> [@Me\_Billy](#): > > There have been quite a few female governors. Those I’m familiar with (Democrats and Republicans) have all done an excellent job. > > My thinking is that women tend to lean more toward “doing the right thing” for the citizens. Male politicians tend to have more “back room deals” (if you ask me). That is what I have observed. However Hillary was never a governor. She is a shrewd politician who knows what to do to gain power. I will agree that for a while women politicians especially as governors have done well but now we are seeing the same power hungry attitudes that the men had. Women may not have testosterone, but they can still be Queen B power hungry. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/45 "2016-01-05T11:44:21Z")
Plus there’s a difference between “concerned schoolteacher who got into politics” and a shrewd lawyer who has been climbing the ladder with one goal in mind for a very long time. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/46 "2016-01-05T14:18:02Z")
And along with that, the political machines of both parties target women just as hard as they did men now by going after their personal lives, their families, and everything else. Witness Sarah Palin after announcing for VP, suddenly 100 reporters showed up at her small town in Alaska digging for dirt on her and all her personal life like her love for hunting came under attack. They also went after her daughter with downs syndrome which I think was particularly low. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/47 "2016-01-05T14:48:53Z")
Sarah Palin whines her head off the moment she faces even a whiff of criticism and she endured at best a tenth of the probing, mudslinging and attack journalism that has dogged Hillary the last decade. And there hasn’t been a single attack on her daughter with Downs Sydrome by the media, liberal or else on account of it’s her son Trig who was diagnosed with it. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/48 "2016-01-05T15:03:01Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Hillary may be a woman (well, she is a woman), but she’ll govern more like man, so don’t be fooled by that BS about her still picking out the flowers for state dinners. She’ll be more hawkish than Obama, but less so than most Republicans. > > She might get booted out next time around if the economy is in bad shape, or if Da-esh is still around and committing acts of terror in the West, especially in the US. But it also depends on the Republicans fielding someone who can beat her, and they’ve been sorely lacking in the “presidential material” department of late. I ratify the above opinions. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/49 "2016-01-05T15:17:59Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Hillary would presumably pursue a militant gun control policy. Depending on Congress it might or might not get anywhere, like it’s been with Obama; but if a Hillary win was seen as a green light to institute major bans and restrictions, there would be a LOT of pushback. “Y’all better stop sayin’ we’re single-issue voters. We’re interested in lots of different political issues ‘roun’ here: Pistols, shotguns, revolvers, _and_ rifles!” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/50 "2016-01-05T16:18:25Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Plus there’s a difference between “concerned schoolteacher who got into politics” and a shrewd lawyer who has been climbing the ladder with one goal in mind for a very long time. Nobody just happens to become President. Anyone who gets elected President has spent years clawing their way towards the job. Hillary Clinton is no different. The difference is that some people are bothered by seeing a female candidate having the same amount of obsessive ambition that is normal for male candidates. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/51 "2016-01-05T16:45:53Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > . . . and trolling overload. This is a Warning to remind you that it is not permitted to accuse other posters of trolling outside The BBQ Pit. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/52 "2016-01-05T16:49:33Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Nobody just happens to become President. Anyone who gets elected President has spent years clawing their way towards the job. > > Hillary Clinton is no different. The difference is that some people are bothered by seeing a female candidate having the same amount of obsessive ambition that is normal for male candidates. Too too true. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/53 "2016-01-05T17:33:15Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Plus there’s a difference between “concerned schoolteacher who got into politics” and a shrewd lawyer who has been climbing the ladder with one goal in mind for a very long time. The latter describes Obama almost as well as it does Clinton; the difference is that Obama reached the top sooner than Hillary is going to. I like Obama. Part of why I like him is that he’s a shrewd politician with, yes, a lust for power, because that’s what you need to be in order to accomplish anything as President. The only people who think Presidents shouldn’t be politicians are the ones who apparently believe the President is the leader of the entire country, as opposed to being the leader of one branch of the Federal government. They believe that Trump or Sanders, if elected, will do this and do that and do everyone like they deserve, when, in reality, what they’ll be doing is arguing with an increasingly intransigent Congress and, perhaps, Supreme Court and getting absolutely nothing done. If Obama, as pragmatic as he is, falls prey to that, I can’t imagine how much worse it would be for the more idealistic Sanders, and as for Trump… Actually, imagining Trump going through that is one of my modern Happy Thoughts, along with Trump trying in vain to deal with Comcast’s customer service. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/54 "2016-01-05T17:41:35Z")
NM ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/55 "2016-01-05T18:18:45Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > The latter describes Obama almost as well as it does Clinton; the difference is that Obama reached the top sooner than Hillary is going to. I think it describes at least half of Presidents. I doubt we’ll ever see the “concerned schoolteacher” type ever rise that high. > [@](#): > > The only people who think Presidents shouldn’t be politicians are the ones who apparently believe the President is the leader of the entire country, as opposed to being the leader of one branch of the Federal government. They believe that Trump or Sanders, if elected, will do this and do that and do everyone like they deserve, when, in reality, what they’ll be doing is arguing with an increasingly intransigent Congress and, perhaps, Supreme Court and getting absolutely nothing done. If Obama, as pragmatic as he is, falls prey to that, I can’t imagine how much worse it would be for the more idealistic Sanders, and as for Trump… Actually, imagining Trump going through that is one of my modern Happy Thoughts, along with Trump trying in vain to deal with Comcast’s customer service. Presidents should be politicians. Except when they claim to be something different. For all that I criticize Clinton’s honesty, she has never put forward the Big Lie that she’s some kind of new leader who is going to rise above the old politics. It must have nearly killed her to lose to that charlatan. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/56 "2016-01-05T18:23:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think it describes at least half of Presidents. I doubt we’ll ever see the “concerned schoolteacher” type ever rise that high. > > Presidents should be politicians. Except when they claim to be something different. For all that I criticize Clinton’s honesty, she has never put forward the Big Lie that she’s some kind of new leader who is going to rise above the old politics. It must have nearly killed her to lose to that charlatan. Every candidate claims to “rise above” old politics, and claims (to some degree) to be a new sort of candidate. Your personal feelings about Obama render you incapable of thinking reasonably about him. If we look at the most concrete measures we can (the fact-checkers), Obama is far more honest than most Republicans, and probably more honest than most Presidents. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/57 "2016-01-05T18:30:40Z")
You’re only half right. Some candidates don’t really try to do that, especially when they are already known as being part of the establishment, such as Nixon and more recently, John Kerry. Hillary will not be running that way and she didn’t run that way in 2008. Her strategy is actually very similar to Nixon’s: experience, judgement, steady leadership, yada yada. Bush 41 and Gore also ran not promising to be different somehow. That’s usually the province of outsider candidates. Other candidates lay it on REALLY thick, and that was what Obama did. Obama didn’t inspire higher youth turnout by being a typical Democrat. They actually thought he was different. He was actually as Bill Clinton described him: “An off the shelf Chicago politician”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/58 "2016-01-05T18:36:47Z")
Every candidate – especially every winning candidate – promises to be different in some way. > [@adaher](#): > > Other candidates lay it on REALLY thick, and that was what Obama did. Obama didn’t inspire higher youth turnout by being a typical Democrat. They actually thought he was different. He was actually as Bill Clinton described him: “An off the shelf Chicago politician”. He’s a typical Democrat (for the most part) in his policies, and he was extraordinary in his campaigning. Those two things can be true without him being a charlatan, an “off the shelf Chicago politician”, or whatever other insults and slurs those with extreme personal disdain for the man want to throw at him. Whenever you throw those out, especially when you’ve admitted having such strong personal disdain for him, you’re just venting. It’s not analysis or anything that can be discussed – just deep personal feelings, and you’ve made yours very, very clear. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049/59 "2016-01-05T18:41:02Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > And there hasn’t been a single attack on her [Sarah Palin’s] daughter with Downs Sydrome by the media, liberal or else on account of it’s her son Trig who was diagnosed with it. In all fairness to **Urbanredneck** , that one Palin daughter (whatshername\*, the abstinence only spokesperson who keeps somehow getting knocked up out of wedlock) does enough stupid things that he may have assumed she must have Downs syndrome too. \*Yeah, I could look it up, but that would require giving a rat’s ass [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/after-a-hillary-win/742049.md?page=2)