# Against Civil Liberties creep

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-civil-liberties-creep/709180>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [January 7, 2015, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-civil-liberties-creep/709180 "2015-01-07T01:53:32Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 2\
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**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-civil-liberties-creep/709180/101 "2015-01-12T04:52:32Z")

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> [@Trinopus](#):
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> I said no such thing. I said that some people in earlier periods of history were less sophisticated. There actually has been some progress in education, research, thought, philosophy, and wisdom in the last 250 years.

Do you think our founding documents should be changed, or simply ignored?

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**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-civil-liberties-creep/709180/102 "2015-01-12T21:36:07Z")

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> [@Waymore](#):
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> I don’t see the modern age being any more sophisticated, with the obvious and huge exceptions of science and technology.
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> Western thought on politics, philosophy, etc. was every bit as sophisticated 250 years ago as it is today. I’d wager the same was true of much else of the world, but I’m not as familiar with Eastern philosophy.
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> Plus, seems a safe bet that folks 250 years hence will think a lot of today’s popular opinion is unsophisticated.

Doesn’t your concluding sentence undermine your beginning sentence? If, in the future, people think that the early 21st century is unsophisticated, that implies that they have learned more, gained wisdom, and have better education.

Yes, I’m certain people in the future will be more sophisticated than we are. (Well, you know, except for the Moon Landing Hoax folks. I figure the people of A.D. 2265 will still have to deal with them…)

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