# Against the Nazis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 1, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902 "2009-11-01T01:52:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/1 "2009-11-01T01:52:24Z")
To-day I went to eat at a local Carl’s Jrs and I saw what I believe to be two Nazi skinheads. I’m pretty sure they were as they had several tattoos virtually covering their bodies including a swastika. And when I became aware of that I suddenly had a hideous desire to kill and torture them or as Mr. Orwell described it: > [@](#): > > A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through… I know that wishing people dead is wrong but I still have that feeling of wanting to destroy them, to crush them, to break them both physically and mentally; to publically whip them to quarter them, to castrate them, to hacking them with machetes. Do you have any such feelings and against whom? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/2 "2009-11-01T01:57:53Z")
Pro-lifers. Just kidding. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/3 "2009-11-01T02:11:20Z")
As a gay man who has only one life to live on this planet but must spend so much of it pushing back at people who think who I love hurts them–who refuse to accept how god made me, if you will–my fantasies of violence tend to be reserved for those people. The people who are so arrogant and selfish that they think their personal opinions about something that doesn’t affect them at all are more important than my life and my self. Although my anger at them doesn’t matter much. Most of these people are Christians and so they are condemning themselves. They’ve allowed themselves to be tempted into sin by Satan, you see; tempted by Satan to ignore Christ’s exhortations to love their neighbor as themselves; to judge not lest they be judges; and to put down that first stone. So by their own belief system, by condemning me they are condemning themselves. Still, it’s annoying as fuck. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/4 "2009-11-01T02:44:53Z")
Wow. I got nothing… just… that was a very graphic description there of your thoughts. Didn’t expect it, but you totally gave me an idea of what you were thinking there. You could easily consider going into writing or developing such skills. That said. Nope… not like that. I have wished people didn’t bother me, or they went away or they left me alone… but not so much with the castrating or the whipping… ---
**Author:** ![kidneyfailure](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9f8e36/32.png) [@kidneyfailure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidneyfailure)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/5 "2009-11-01T02:47:57Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > To-day I went to eat at a local Carl’s Jrs and I saw what I believe to be two Nazi skinheads. I’m pretty sure they were as they had several tattoos virtually covering their bodies including a swastika. And when I became aware of that I suddenly had a hideous desire to kill and torture them or as Mr. Orwell described it: > I know that wishing people dead is wrong but I still have that feeling of wanting to destroy them, to crush them, to break them both physically and mentally; to publically whip them to quarter them, to castrate them, to hacking them with machetes. Do you have any such feelings and against whom? Wow, you took one glance at someone and wanted to kill him because of how he looked. Makes you sound like a Nazi. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/6 "2009-11-01T02:49:19Z")
> [@kidneyfailure](#): > > Wow, you took one glance at someone and wanted to kill him because of how he looked. Makes you sound like a Nazi. The two people has swastika tattoos on them and they didn’t look like Buddhists or Hindus to me. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/7 "2009-11-01T02:50:11Z")
> [@kidneyfailure](#): > > Wow, you took one glance at someone and wanted to kill him because of how he looked. Makes you sound like a Nazi. You know who else took one glance at people and wanted to kill them? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/8 "2009-11-01T02:53:27Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > You know who else took one glance at people and wanted to kill them? Is this a reference to your user name? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/9 "2009-11-01T02:58:26Z")
Whatever you do, don’t say it… it’s bad luck. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/10 "2009-11-01T03:00:12Z")
It is Halloween you know… Any chance they were just two morons with temporary tattoos making a lame attempt at costumes? But regardless, interesting that you should have those feelings Curt. I believe in your thread asking whether homosexuality is a sin, you put forward the idea that having a lustful thought is a sin. I believe you qualified that by saying that if you know it’s wrong, it’s somehow OK. It would seem you were overcome by bloodlust in this case - in a manner I can completely understand and have felt myself. And I am pretty sure you’re not going to act on those thoughts. But I’m just wondering if this informs your ideas about wrongful thoughts being sins? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/11 "2009-11-01T03:03:11Z")
> [@Mach Tuck](#): > > It is Halloween you know… Any chance they were just two morons with temporary tattoos making a lame attempt at costumes? > > But regardless, interesting that you should have those feelings Curt. I believe in your thread asking whether homosexuality is a sin, you put forward the idea that having a lustful thought is a sin. I believe you qualified that by saying that if you know it’s wrong, it’s somehow OK. > > It would seem you were overcome by bloodlust in this case - in a manner I can completely understand and have felt myself. And I am pretty sure you’re not going to act on those thoughts. But I’m just wondering if this informs your ideas about wrongful thoughts being sins? I think while unfortunate if you know these thoughts are sin and you can’t help it, it’s not really your fault. ---
**Author:** ![kidneyfailure](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9f8e36/32.png) [@kidneyfailure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidneyfailure)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/12 "2009-11-01T03:03:28Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > The two people has swastika tattoos on them and they didn’t look like Buddhists or Hindus to me. So what? Judging someone by their tattoo make about as much sense as judging them by their skin color. I hate neo-Nazis but I’d rather just not even pay attention to them at all. They want you to do that, of course. I fail to see the point of this thread. Is it to show us how much you hate Nazis? So what? We all hate them. Or is it an attempt at irony, showing us all how thin a line there is between their form of hate and ours? Well, mission accomplished. And the Orwell quote made you look really intellectual, too. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/13 "2009-11-01T03:24:38Z")
Getting a Swastika tattoo doesn’t automatically make someone a literal Nazi who agrees with the Nazi ideology. A lot of bikers get swastika tattoos not because they’re literally Nazis but because the swastika is an intimidating symbol. Why can’t people understand this? Bikers also get tattoos of skulls and skeletons and shit like that, not because they’re all medical students or wannabe morticians, but because skulls and skeletons have intimidating connotations. Because the swastika is such a hated symbol, tattooing your skin permanently with one - among a certain crowd - is sort of a mark of saying to the world, “you want to fuck with me? You think you’re tough enough to say anything about this swastika on my arm?” It’s a form of nonverbal posturing; Sonny Barger, founder of the Hells Angels, talks about this in his autobiography. Barger isn’t a Nazi. The Hells Angels actually had black and Hispanic members. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/14 "2009-11-01T03:40:41Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > The two people has swastika tattoos on them and they didn’t look like Buddhists or Hindus to me. The swastika is an ancient Indian symbol, after all, and the word swastika is Sanskrit. Hey, you never know. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/15 "2009-11-01T03:47:10Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > To-day I went to eat at a local Carl’s Jrs and I saw what I believe to be two Nazi skinheads. I’m pretty sure they were as they had several tattoos virtually covering their bodies including a swastika. And when I became aware of that I suddenly had a hideous desire to kill and torture them or as Mr. Orwell described it: > I know that wishing people dead is wrong but I still have that feeling of wanting to destroy them, to crush them, to break them both physically and mentally; to publically whip them to quarter them, to castrate them, to hacking them with machetes. Do you have any such feelings and against whom? Never and I am an atheist. How can you say you are religious if you feel like that? ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/16 "2009-11-01T03:51:01Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > The two people has swastika tattoos on them and they didn’t look like Buddhists or Hindus to me. Perhaps they were in costume – they were imitating the good Christian chaplains who worked in the Nazis concentration camps, ministering to the german troops who were so overworked trying to keep up with the quota of so many thousand jews and other non-christians to be gassed each day. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/17 "2009-11-01T03:59:42Z")
[QUOTE= kidneyfailure] Judging someone by their tattoo make about as much sense as judging them by their skin color. [/QUOTE] Except for the fact that you can’t pick your skin color, and the fact that your skin color doesn’t contain messages that you choose to display about your ideology. ---
**Author:** ![kidneyfailure](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9f8e36/32.png) [@kidneyfailure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidneyfailure)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/18 "2009-11-01T04:05:06Z")
> [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](#): > > your skin color doesn’t contain messages that you choose to display about your ideology. It does to certain people…like neo-Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/19 "2009-11-01T04:58:27Z")
> [@](#): > > …they didn’t look like Buddhists or Hindus to me. Yeah. You can always spot a Buddhist or a Hindu. I guess it’s a good thing you didn’t know Oskar Schindler before WWII, **Curtis**. No, I’ve never felt those impulses since infancy, but I suppose there is always the possibility that any of us could become criminally insane and return to that preconscious ego indulgence. Some people want to sit in their own body waste and wear a diaper too. It’s all about the same thing: Ego and the need for attention. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/20 "2009-11-01T05:01:16Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > …I know that wishing people dead is wrong but I still have that feeling of wanting to destroy them, to crush them, to break them both physically and mentally; to publically whip them to quarter them, to castrate them, to hacking them with machetes. Do you have any such feelings and against whom? _Wishing_ people dead is perfecctly fine. _Making_ them dead is what gets you in trouble. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902.md?page=2)