# Against the Nazis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 1, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902 "2009-11-01T01:52:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/101 "2009-11-03T02:36:20Z")
nvm ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/102 "2009-11-03T02:54:26Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Everyone has a desire once in a while to kill someone who doesn’t deserve it and I’m only too human. Uh… no, really, they don’t. Attack, maybe. Get into a fight with, sure- deliver an ass chewing that would melt the ice caps, definitely. Kill someone who doesn’t deserve it… uh… no. That’s not human, it’s fucked up. It’s like saying “everybody would have sex with an octopus while Roseanne Barr watched through the tank if they could”. I’ve very seldom desired or fantasized about killing but when I did it was _always_ of people who deserved it. > [@](#): > > I’m only too human Is “only too human” a euphemism for “humorless judgmental self exonerating asshole” these days? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/103 "2009-11-03T02:55:51Z")
[QUOTE= Sampiro] “everybody would have sex with an octopus while Roseanne Barr watched through the tank if they could”. [/QUOTE] Are you reading my diary? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/104 "2009-11-03T02:59:48Z")
> [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](#): > > Are you reading my diary? Worse- I followed you to the aquarium. (I won’t be doing that again.)😉 ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/105 "2009-11-03T03:06:13Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Worse- I followed you to the aquarium. (I won’t be doing that again.)😉 Roseanne? Ms. Barr? Is that you? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/106 "2009-11-03T03:07:36Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Roseanne? Ms. Barr? Is that you? There is no Roseanne… only Zule… ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/107 "2009-11-03T04:49:57Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > There is no Roseanne… only Zule… What a lovely [singing](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FhndWwWt8I)voice you have! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/108 "2009-11-03T05:07:03Z")
[QUOTE= Sampiro] Worse- I followed you to the aquarium. (I won’t be doing that again.) [/QUOTE] Oh- I thought that was Rosanne. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/109 "2009-11-03T16:49:43Z")
In Germany it’s illegal to wear or display a Nazi swastik … these people would have some problems if the police see’s them within Germany. It’s nothing to be proud of. Kind of idiotic to have a tatoo of it, for whatever purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/110 "2009-11-03T21:15:23Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Getting a Swastika tattoo doesn’t automatically make someone a literal Nazi who agrees with the Nazi ideology. A lot of bikers get swastika tattoos not because they’re literally Nazis but because the swastika is an intimidating symbol. Why can’t people understand this? Bikers also get tattoos of skulls and skeletons and shit like that, not because they’re all medical students or wannabe morticians, but because skulls and skeletons have intimidating connotations. Because the swastika is such a hated symbol, tattooing your skin permanently with one - among a certain crowd - is sort of a mark of saying to the world, “you want to fuck with me? You think you’re tough enough to say anything about this swastika on my arm?” It’s a form of nonverbal posturing; Sonny Barger, founder of the Hells Angels, talks about this in his autobiography. Barger isn’t a Nazi. The Hells Angels actually had black and Hispanic members. Bullshit. Nobody is so ignorant that they don’t know what a swastika means. If someone chooses to tattoo themselves with swastikas so as to intimidate people, they’re intentionally raising the spectre of the camps to do so. They may not be a “literal Nazi” in the sense that they espouse the political ideology of National Socialism (in fact, I’d bet that anyone with a swastika tattoo is too damn stupid to understand said ideology), but they sure understand the camps and the racial policies of the Nazis. It ain’t just posturing. As to the Hell’s Angels having had black and/or hispanic members at some point in time, so what? Around here (New York) they’re a bunch of racist thugs with a track record to prove it. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/111 "2009-11-03T21:57:30Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Neal Stephenson wrote a book **Snow Crash** in which offenders had their crimes tattooed across their forehead. One main character had “Poor impulse control” on his noggin. True. But then again, when you meet a 7 foot Aleut with a bad attitude, a nuke in his sidecar and a fetish for glass knives, you don’t really need the tattoo clue 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/112 "2009-11-04T00:43:34Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > The two people has swastika tattoos on them and they didn’t look like Buddhists or Hindus to me. For your edification, [A Buddhist with a Sanskrit tattoo.](http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd85/olivesmarch4th/AtSea.jpg) (Tattoo not pictured.) Can’t say as I’ve ever wanted to torture someone. I’ve been angry enough spur-of-the-moment that I’ve wanted to put my fist through their face, but I’ve never wanted to actually cause someone prolonged harm. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/113 "2009-11-04T00:54:49Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > Bullshit. Nobody is so ignorant that they don’t know what a swastika means. If someone chooses to tattoo themselves with swastikas so as to intimidate people, they’re intentionally raising the spectre of the camps to do so. They may not be a “literal Nazi” in the sense that they espouse the political ideology of National Socialism (in fact, I’d bet that anyone with a swastika tattoo is too damn stupid to understand said ideology), but they sure understand the camps and the racial policies of the Nazis. It ain’t just posturing. You do realize that nothing you’ve said here in any way disagrees with what **Argent Towers** posted, right? ---
**Author:** ![panaccione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@panaccione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panaccione)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/114 "2009-11-04T07:03:57Z")
Im with the op 100% It doesn’t matter what the reason is for having a swastika tatoo I’d gladly beat the fuck out of somebody for it. They know what it stands for they know it’s history and they wear it proudly. Fuck that! ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/115 "2009-11-04T07:07:29Z")
> [@Scotty Mo](#): > > Im with the op 100% > > It doesn’t matter what the reason is for having a swastika tatoo I’d gladly beat the fuck out of somebody for it. They know what it stands for they know it’s history and they wear it proudly. Fuck that! So you’d beat them because they’re supporting violence against those they consider objectionable? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/116 "2009-11-04T07:10:57Z")
**Scotty Mo** , now _you_ are the Nazi. Surprise. ---
**Author:** ![panaccione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@panaccione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panaccione)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/117 "2009-11-04T07:33:30Z")
Yes I fin it objectionable but no Ido not see myself as the Nazi. Nazism is wrong to an unspeakable DEgree ands anyone trying to promote this message or simply look like a baDAss is a fuckim piece of shit and deserves their ass kicked. It’s pretty black and white to me. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/118 "2009-11-04T09:06:43Z")
if you changed the word "swastika’ to “star of david” and repeated your post… it’s exactly the same thing as what they’d say. So… it’s kinda the same action. Uncannily so. That’s the problem with black and white. Just because you take the negative of it, it’s still black and white, just the colors are reversed, and it’s still just as bad. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/119 "2009-11-04T09:59:45Z")
I can’t buy that wanting to commit violence to a person advertising his hatred of others, makes that person a nazi also. If you wanted to attack a person promoting the World Wildlife Fund because you didn’t agree with their policies, that’d be a different matter. Or is a person who beats up a bully, a bully too? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902/120 "2009-11-04T11:09:35Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Uh… no, really, they don’t. Attack, maybe. Get into a fight with, sure- deliver an ass chewing that would melt the ice caps, definitely. > > Kill someone **who doesn’t deserve it** … uh… no. That’s not human, it’s fucked up. It’s like saying “everybody would have sex with an octopus while Roseanne Barr watched through the tank if they could”. I’ve very seldom desired or fantasized about killing but when I did it was _always_ of people who deserved it. > > Is “only too human” a euphemism for “humorless judgmental self exonerating asshole” these days? The portion in bold seems to indicate that you _do_ allow for normal people to have thoughts of killing someone. It’s just got to be justified by the fact that they “deserve it”. To a 13-year-old boy, there is no one more deserving of death than those “evil Nazis.” I don’t understand why people don’t take Curtis at face value. He claims to be a 13 year old kid with an autistic spectrum disorder. Maybe he’s too immature for this community. Maybe his lack of social skills is too great to get along with people here. But I see no indication that he is not what he claims to be. In fact, I don’t even understand why you want to bother trying to judge someone from their posts on a message board. You don’t know them. You’ve formed a hypothesis, but you can’t test it. So why bother? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/against-the-nazis/515902.md?page=7)