# Agatha All Along **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [September 19, 2024, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461 "2024-09-19T06:26:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/121 "2024-11-19T05:11:19Z")
Well I disliked the first episode and I was deeply dissatisfied with the last episode of the season. It just wasn’t a great ending, and who knows if we’re going to get a second season? Like others, I thought it was odd that all these witches thought the Witches Road was real. It might make sense 2024 but it didn’t make sense that witches in 1750 thought it was real. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/122 "2024-11-19T11:40:37Z")
This is a world in which witches in 18th-century New England had their own towns. The legend about the Road makes more sense than that. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/123 "2024-11-19T11:59:57Z")
I can believe in all sorts of shit, but human behavior is the hardest thing to suspend disbelief over. Agatha is absolutely the wrong person to spread a rumor, in 2024 or 1750. I suppose it’s possible that from a single performance of the song by her (much more charismatic) son, the spark was lit, and the rumor started spreading from that independently of Agatha. I don’t like having to come up with headcanon, but I’ll take it. But the rest of the complaints about how the witches acted (“Insult my skills? I’ll kill you by simulblast!”) can’t be so easily explained, for me. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/124 "2024-11-19T12:25:25Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > the rumor started spreading from that independently of Agatha It seemed like she was surprised and improvising when the first witch asked her to show her the road. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/125 "2024-11-19T14:13:32Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > . But the rest of the complaints about how the witches acted (“Insult my skills? I’ll kill you by simulblast!”) can’t be so easily explained, for me. Hell, maybe that’s why people were keen on purging witches. You look at one of 'em sideways and they turn you into a newt, ruin your crops with hail, or turn the milk of your cow sour. > [@Gyrate](#): > > This is a world in which witches in 18th-century New England had their own towns. The legend about the Road makes more sense than that. It’s also a New England where apparantly blacks were treated as equals with whites. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/126 "2024-11-19T15:45:58Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > It just wasn’t a great ending, and who knows if we’re going to get a second season? If I recall, Wandavision, Agatha All Along, and VisionQuest are to be like a trilogy of series. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/127 "2024-11-20T02:22:31Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I suppose it’s possible that from a single performance of the song by her (much more charismatic) son I don’t think we should assume that because we only see one performance that there was only performance - he could have been singing the song all over the place. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/128 "2024-11-20T02:34:51Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > I don’t think we should assume that because we only see one performance that there was only performance - he could have been singing the song all over the place. That’s my assumption and it still doesn’t work for me. I could buy into the idea the Witch’s Road was always a lie had they figured something better about its origins. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/129 "2024-11-20T03:03:40Z")
People who make comic book movies and shows still think with comic book logic. Best not get too worked up about details like that. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/130 "2024-11-20T03:53:39Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > I don’t think we should assume that because we only see one performance that there was only performance - he could have been singing the song all over the place. It could’ve been a lot of different things. What we have to go on is what the storytellers give us, and for me, their story fell short. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/131 "2024-11-20T14:27:27Z")
In the real world literally every myth, folktale, song etc. started as someone just making up a story and telling and it spreading. It doesn’t really suspend disbelief to see it happen in the show. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/132 "2024-11-20T14:53:30Z")
To me at least of all the things that strain credulity that is very very low on the list. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/133 "2024-11-20T15:11:46Z")
Yeah, I never considered that an issue at all. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/134 "2024-11-21T00:18:54Z")
I assumed that what we saw was representative of what Agatha, et al, did, not a complete accounting. Thus I figured that she walked through a field with her son more than a couple of times, talked to villagers more than a few times, and that her son sang his song for money more than a few times. But mileage certainly varies ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/135 "2024-11-21T00:25:40Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > In the real world literally every myth, folktale, song etc. started as someone just making up a story and telling and it spreading. It doesn’t really suspend disbelief to see it happen in the show. The kid was, what? Ten? You’re telling me a young boy made up a song and by the time he was ten it became ingrained in witch’s lore? I can buy someone gaining powers from a radioactive spider but this is a bit much. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/136 "2024-11-21T02:23:25Z")
No. By the time he was 10 it influenced a single local witch-wannabee, who dragged a few others along. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/137 "2024-11-21T11:16:01Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > You’re telling me a young boy made up a song and by the time he was ten it became ingrained in witch’s lore? I mean, the kid does have quite powerful parents (depending on if you buy either the Devil or Death paternity theories), so I’ve assumed there’s some magical component to the song’s longevity. The song itself is a kind of self-sustaining spell. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/138 "2024-11-21T11:22:56Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’ve assumed there’s some magical component to the song’s longevity. The song itself is a kind of self-sustaining spell. That would’ve been awesome! Put it in the show! All I can say, to the responses, is that as her plan was unveiled, I was actively annoyed by it, and my suspension of disbelief just fell apart. With some tweaks it might have worked, but the finale as presented made me hate a lot of the show in retrospect. This has happened with a lot of the Marvel shows, and I think they’re just not for me. _Arcane_, on the other hand… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461/139 "2024-11-21T11:46:39Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Put it in the show I thought they did a good enough job of doing just that. Including talking about how Lorna Wu’s recording definitely functions as a spell. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agatha-all-along/1007461.md?page=6)