# Agent Carter S01E01: Now is Not the End / Agent Carter S01E02: Bridge and Tunnel **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 7, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177 "2015-01-07T01:28:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/21 "2015-01-07T22:05:57Z")
> [@tripthicket](#): > > Was anyone shown drinking alcohol of any kind? Were bottles of alcohol shown in the background of any of the scenes? > > If you’re going to demonize one of them (and I actually agree with you about smoking), then demonize both. 50000 Americans die from second hand smoke every year. Few die from second hand booze. (and yes, I know drunk driving does kill, but that 50000 doesnt count people killed in fires started by smoking) ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/22 "2015-01-07T22:27:11Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > 50000 Americans die from second hand smoke every year. Few die from second hand booze. > > (and yes, I know drunk driving does kill, but that 50000 doesnt count people killed in fires started by smoking) Not at all saying you’re wrong, but this is not the place to debate this subject. /derail ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/23 "2015-01-07T22:28:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It promotes smoking, which kills. Every puff is paid for by Big Tobacco. There is no need to show it. The show also has people attempting to kill huge numbers of people. I don’t think it’s promoting genocide. Showing smoking and glorifying smoking are two different things. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/24 "2015-01-07T22:35:19Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > The show also has people attempting to kill huge numbers of people. I don’t think it’s promoting genocide. Showing smoking and glorifying smoking are two different things. Exactly right. If they wanted to show smoking in a bad light, they could have had the jerk in the restaurant lighting up and Carter commenting that it was a nasty habit. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/25 "2015-01-07T22:48:47Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Exactly right. If they wanted to show smoking in a bad light, they could have had the jerk in the restaurant lighting up and Carter commenting that it was a nasty habit. Speaking of that Jerk, seemed kinda fat to be former POW, not to mention that every jerk she worked with seemed to come out of the pacific theatre, no mention at all about any of the European theatre. Declan ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/26 "2015-01-07T23:00:54Z")
My favorite fight scene was the stapler attack. And I’m glad this is only a seven episode season, so it should move rather briskly. I assume the end of the season will be where the BluRay short ends? with Agent Carter promoted above all her male coworkers to start SHIELD ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/27 "2015-01-07T23:01:23Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Speaking of that Jerk, seemed kinda fat to be former POW, not to mention that every jerk she worked with seemed to come out of the pacific theatre, no mention at all about any of the European theatre. > > Declan Also, who the hell spends only three weeks in a POW camp? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/28 "2015-01-07T23:17:49Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Also, who the hell spends only three weeks in a POW camp? Shot down three weeks before the war ends? Shot down three weeks before his camp is taken by the Allies? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/29 "2015-01-07T23:23:28Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > The typewriter reminded me of the communications device for agents from the other reality in Fringe.\ That’s exactly what I said, too. Regarding the heavy-handed sexism in the show, isn’t that pretty much exactly how it was for women after the end of World War II? “Thanks for helping out during the war, toots, now get back in your kitchen.” I enjoyed both episodes; you guys saw her with Agent Sousa (I missed seeing whatever picture you were referencing), but I think Jarvis is not as married as he claims to be. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/30 "2015-01-07T23:36:05Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > That’s exactly what I said, too. > > Regarding the heavy-handed sexism in the show, isn’t that pretty much exactly how it was for women after the end of World War II? “Thanks for helping out during the war, toots, now get back in your kitchen.” Sure, to an extent. But hardly everyone. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/31 "2015-01-07T23:37:23Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Speaking of that Jerk, seemed kinda fat to be former POW, not to mention that every jerk she worked with seemed to come out of the pacific theatre, no mention at all about any of the European theatre. > > Declan I think the guy was lying. I think that was the implication anyway. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/32 "2015-01-07T23:40:28Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Sure, to an extent. But hardly everyone. Were you around back then? ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/33 "2015-01-07T23:44:31Z")
I was vaguely disappointed in this show for the same reasons I’m vaguely disappointed by **Agents of SHIELD** and **Game of Thrones**. They’re action-adventure series set in wondrous worlds that I know and like, but due to budget constraints they have to be very stingy with the wondrous parts and fill up the rest with lots of scenes with people talking in cheap indoor sets. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/34 "2015-01-08T02:17:50Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Sure, to an extent. But hardly everyone. It took the state of Mississippi until 1984 to ratify The 19th Amendment (which allowed women to vote in the US), and you and others in this thread think they’re overdoing the chauvinism on this show? I don’t think they’re overdoing it at all - I think that’s probably pretty close to how it was, considering how crappy it still is, 70 years later. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/35 "2015-01-08T03:11:23Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Speaking of that Jerk, seemed kinda fat to be former POW, not to mention that every jerk she worked with seemed to come out of the pacific theatre, no mention at all about any of the European theatre. > > Declan I think that was by design by the creators since soldiers in the European theater could have worked with Captain America and/or Carter and might have had a different perspective on her. Also I think that one guy was in a POW camp for only three weeks because he was one of the soldiers CA saved. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/36 "2015-01-08T03:29:23Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And I think they could have made the point about sexism better if they had tried for a little subtlety rather than just repeatedly hitting us with it over the head. > [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Regarding the heavy-handed sexism in the show, isn’t that pretty much exactly how it was for women after the end of World War II? “Thanks for helping out during the war, toots, now get back in your kitchen.” Yep. Happened to my aunts and a couple of cousins. Once the war was over they were let go explicitly because the boys coming home need their jobs back. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Sure, to an extent. But hardly everyone. > [@RikWriter](#): > > Were you around back then? > [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > It took the state of Mississippi until 1984 to ratify The 19th Amendment (which allowed women to vote in the US), and you and others in this thread think they’re overdoing the chauvinism on this show? I don’t think they’re overdoing it at all - I think that’s probably pretty close to how it was, considering how crappy it still is, 70 years later. Yep, lines up with what my grandmother, aunts, and mother told me about the era. My grandmother did the exact same accountant work as the men at her company but was paid exactly half what the men were. Solely because she was a woman. I had “Rosie the Riveter” aunts who lost their jobs so a returning GI could have them. Lots of jobs would fire a woman who got married. Until 1963 it was _legal_ to pay women less for the _exact same job_ as a man and you can bet that employers did exactly that. Crap, when I started working in the 1970’s there was still a level of sexist crap in the workplace considered normal that would result in lawsuits these days. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/37 "2015-01-08T03:38:55Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Yep. Happened to my aunts and a couple of cousins. Once the war was over they were let go explicitly because the boys coming home need their jobs back. The boys who were still alive and able to work, that is. Let’s not forget the girls got the jobs to free up more boys to get killed. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/38 "2015-01-08T04:05:58Z")
So, because the girls did the job they were asked they should be dumped out on the sidewalk and someone gets the work, and at more pay on top of it? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/39 "2015-01-08T04:59:43Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > The boys who were still alive and able to work, that is. Let’s not forget the girls got the jobs to free up more boys to get killed. An awful lot more men returned to the workforce than you seem to think. Although the loss of any life blah-blah-blah, the US didn’t lose all that many men–[“only” .32% of our 1939 population.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties) Then with the recession following the war reducing the jobs that were available, men, _the real bread earners of the family_\*, were given what jobs there were, as women, after all, _only work for pin money_\*. :rolleyes: - - Very common attitudes and phrases well into the 1980s. Not quite as common today. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agent-carter-s01e01-now-is-not-the-end-agent-carter-s01e02-bridge-and-tunnel/709177/40 "2015-01-08T05:04:12Z")
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